Does Race exist?

Me too, American isn't a race

Why not? I certainly describe myself as American. I do not describe myself as European, Caucasian, Nordic, or any other old world subset. Seems like if we are just making crap up American should be a race.
 
No, those are the regions populated by people typically seen as Asian (E Asian in Harold's case). I dont know why the census groups Indians and Pakistanis in with Japanese and Koreans, I posted the link for BiC to show there is such a thing as Asian people. If race was so stupid why did you make a distinction between Harold and Kumar?

But, but you said they are the SAME RACE and yet are asking me why I made a distinction between the two of them???? Again, that's how stupid this is. On one hand you are saying they are the same ASIAN race, and then you are saying they are two different races, perhaps yellow and brown I guess that will do it, let's keep in line with white and black so that there is SOME method to the stupidity.
 
I can identify someone as American
Everyone can, it's easy:

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No, those are the regions populated by people typically seen as Asian (E Asian in Harold's case). I dont know why the census groups Indians and Pakistanis in with Japanese and Koreans, I posted the link for BiC to show there is such a thing as Asian people. If race was so stupid why did you make a distinction between Harold and Kumar?
What I take from it is that your census bureau is racist. Thank you for finding the sources, by the way.
I mentioned in the first page of this thread that racism is institutionalized in some countries and I was thinking specifically about the US. I also mentioned Brazil and I left out Israel that should deserve a mention. Like how they sterilized Ethiopian maids who came work in the country... I wonder under what assumption ??

Origin can be geographical or time-based (heredity, ancestors, however you call it), a skin colour can be descriptive, all without recourse to the notion of race. You can call somebody or a group of people Black or Asian without the recourse to race.
And I'll insist one last time that someone / some institution doesn't need to be prejudiced and to discriminate negatively in order to be racist.
Racism is most often condemned when it is prejudiced but it isn't the prejudice that makes racism : it's the distinction based upon the notion of race. Further down the line, that distinction helps with the prejudice but it doesn't need to be there.

Just my opinion...
 
this pretty much nailed it

And I'll insist one last time that someone / some institution doesn't need to be prejudiced and to discriminate negatively in order to be racist.
Racism is most often condemned when it is prejudiced but it isn't the prejudice that makes racism : it's the distinction based upon the notion of race. Further down the line, that distinction helps with the prejudice but it doesn't need to be there.
 
Skin cancer prevalence definitely depends on what language you speak and what your national dress is, therefore ethnicity is definitely the correct word to use for such medical studies.
 
And I'll insist one last time that someone / some institution doesn't need to be prejudiced and to discriminate negatively in order to be racist.
Racism is most often condemned when it is prejudiced but it isn't the prejudice that makes racism : it's the distinction based upon the notion of race. Further down the line, that distinction helps with the prejudice but it doesn't need to be there.

You've coined your own definition of racism then.
Words are not toys, they have commonly accepted meaning.

Wiki:
Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity

Merriam-Webster:
Racism - a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

Oxford Dictionary:
Racism - Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

Cambridge dictionary:
Racism - the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/racism
 
It's 2019. Get with the programme. Racism is now defined as whatever the best definition is to be able to classify the maximum number of people as racist.
 
In fact hold on... doesn't this completely contradict the last redefinition of racism, whereby it could only be applied to large scale institutional discrimination tied to societal power and privilege etc. You know, the definition that makes it literally impossible for anyone other than white people to be racist?

Now suddenly merely thinking race is a thing is racist. Make your minds up.
 
Skin cancer prevalence definitely depends on what language you speak and what your national dress is, therefore ethnicity is definitely the correct word to use for such medical studies.

If you believe something else, make the case for it. I think you're too ignorant to define race scientifically and then show an biological mechanism for resistance to UV damage that correlates well.
 
In fact hold on... doesn't this completely contradict the last redefinition of racism, whereby it could only be applied to large scale institutional discrimination tied to societal power and privilege etc. You know, the definition that makes it literally impossible for anyone other than white people to be racist?

Hmmmmmmm! Interesting! Why is it that a definition based on societal power and privilege would only make "white" people racist????????? (in the US)

(so close)
 
Probably because white people have more power and privileges in the US? :hmm:
Just my guess.
 
It also should not be forgotten that all kinds of racism/"racism" exist (racism in the sense of discrimination and prejudice against a group due to somatic/other traits). Even going just by somatic (bodily) traits, there are many used to think less of people that have them.
That said, i am certainly of the view that all kinds of racism can be diminished, even considerably; but never become actually extinct.
I also think - as i said many times, providing the reason why i think so - that the way most people go about trying to diminish racism is entirely futile, and if anything it seems to provoke a slight rise to it due to reactionism.
 
What I take from it is that your census bureau is racist.
in the context that assumptions and generalizations about inferiority/superiority are made automatically , i totally agree

Origin can be geographical or time-based (heredity, ancestors, however you call it), a skin colour can be descriptive all without recourse to the notion of race. You can call somebody or a group of people Black or Asian without the recourse to race. And I'll insist one last time that someone / some institution doesn't need to be prejudiced and to discriminate negatively in order to be racist.
Racism is most often condemned when it is prejudiced but it isn't the prejudice that makes racism : it's the distinction based upon the notion of race.
I find this a little contradictory...you seem to be saying that you can describe groups as different, for example blacks and asians, but that this distinction makes it racist?
 
Some Asian people are black, you know ? A Black person is a person whose skin tone is black. An Asian person is a person who originates from the Asian continent.

Worry not, I've grown accustomed to I don't even need
 
But, but you said they are the SAME RACE and yet are asking me why I made a distinction between the two of them???? Again, that's how stupid this is. On one hand you are saying they are the same ASIAN race, and then you are saying they are two different races, perhaps yellow and brown I guess that will do it, let's keep in line with white and black so that there is SOME method to the stupidity.

I didn't say they're the same race, they're both listed as Asian in the census. So why did you identify Harold and Kumar as different races?
 
I didn't say they're the same race, they're both listed as Asian in the census. So why did you identify Harold and Kumar as different races?

This is the problem with race. Its an arbitrary categorisation. Are Arabs, Indians and Chinese one race? They are all Asian but have little in common.
What race are Indians? North India and the Middle East have been invaded by many different peoples throughout and before history. What race are their inhabitants?
If the proponents of race as a reality can't come up with answers to these questions why should we take them seriously?
 
In fact hold on... doesn't this completely contradict the last redefinition of racism, whereby it could only be applied to large scale institutional discrimination tied to societal power and privilege etc. You know, the definition that makes it literally impossible for anyone other than white people to be racist?

Now suddenly merely thinking race is a thing is racist. Make your minds up.

You are barely a step away from saying that being anti racism is being anti white
 
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