Dutch authorities sue parents of 13 year-old to stop solo sail trip around the world

[crabapple]

a definition of who is a child or not changes depending on the times, in the middle ages this child would be considered to be an adult.. who is a "child" or not is social construct , not a fact

 

[Flying Pig]

Are we in the middle ages? By now, it's as good as a fact - 15 is the lowest in any law (the one about fighting a war)

 

[crabapple]

Are we in the middle ages? By now, it's as good as a fact - 15 is the lowest in any law (the one about fighting a war)

not really was making this point: Age doesnt matter, knowledge how to do it does, and thats all that matter. If she is considered by experts have enough knowledge to have a strong chance to succeed doing it ( the same as any adult) she should go for it!

 

[Shadylookin]

But there's a few careers related to it, mostly in the marine-related professions. And many people cruise the world full-time, just stopping in various ports and picking up odd jobs here or there as necessary.

I'm fairly certain most(all?) people don't use sails for professional boating anymore.

Sure you can, via web-conferencing and such.

I think the point of a private tutor is that they are physically there to make you do the work.

No, I mean radio stations via internet. You've probably heard of that.

Yes, but all the ones I've heard of are accessed streaming through a web browser

But in general you've not heard of individual applications being password-protected?

I've heard of individual accounts being password protected, I've heard of encrypting a file and requiring a password and or key files. I can't think off the top of my head any applications that are themselves password protected no. Most people wouldn't be so paranoid as to generate a daily password either.

Given that internet connection, parents could go in and manipulate the girl's laptop and update the available applications on virtually a daily basis. No, it's not a common use, but this isn't a common situation.

Not likely. For one thing the software you use to do long distance homework(email, browser, web cam, etc) are also the things you use for fun. Of course it's not relevant I'm guessing her parents aren't advanced system administrators and we both know no one is going to go through that hassle

No, it's not the same, but it's a question of how inferior (or for that matter how superior) one is to the other. Obviously we disagree on that. I doubt you're going to convince me that you're right, given that I have experience with distance learning and offshore sailing (and PC/networking support) and you've not pointed out yet where the facts that form the basis of my opinion are incorrect.

Well for one thing your security scheme is unrealistic for all but the nerdiest of nerds. For another it requires the cooperation of the Dutch school system which as we can see doesn't seem too keen on the idea.

 

[Flying Pig]

not really was making this point: Age doesnt matter, knowledge how to do it does, and thats all that matter. If she is considered by experts have enough knowledge to have a strong chance to succeed doing it ( the same as any adult) she should go for it!

That's not been the point for a long time.

 

[crabapple]

About the school issue, its just 1 to 2 years so she can learn anything she has missed in school when she comes back. Besides she will learn real knowledge about the world by doing this trip, this is that kind of knowledge school can never give

 

[crabapple]

That's not been the point for a long time.

Actually in my view thats all that matters

 

[bhsup]

Kids used to serve as cabin boys on warships when they were 14. Their parents weren't jailed for allowing it.

 

[J-man]

Kids used to serve as cabin boys on warships when they were 14. Their parents weren't jailed for allowing it.

But I don't think anyone wants a kid that situation anymore.

Can 14 year hold oversee all the dangers that are ahead? I think not.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong.

 

[Flying Pig]

And then the parents are legally culpable.

 

[Mise]

We used to kidnap Africans by the thousands, cram them on boats, ship them to America, and force them to work on cotton plantations. Their owners weren't jailed for it.

 

[crabapple]

And then the parents are legally culpable.

and they are willing to take that risk

 

[Flying Pig]

The problem is, the child is not legally old enough to make an informed decision about paying £1 for the lottery, let alone commanding a vessel.

 

[.Shane.]

Kids used to serve as cabin boys on warships when they were 14. Their parents weren't jailed for allowing it.

OMG and we owned slaves, women couldn't vote, and there were no child labor laws! Add a pinch of sugar and I think we've got utopia!

DAMNED LIBERAL ELITIST SOCIALISTS!

 

[crabapple]

The problem is, the child is not legally old enough to make an informed decision about paying £1 for the lottery, let alone commanding a vessel.

and you magically able to do such decisions when you are considered to be an adult? the line is arbitary drawn and not really consider invidual differences. This could be seen as a execptional case

 

[Flying Pig]

At 17 the line possibly greys - but at 13? No chance

 

[El Koeno]

The problem is, the child is not legally old enough to make an informed decision about paying £1 for the lottery, let alone commanding a vessel.

That's what parents are for. They're allowing it, end of discussion if you ask me. Why would anyone else but her and her parents have a single thing to say about what she can do?

 

[Flying Pig]

It's more about education, I think, and the fact that sometimes parent's want what their child wants, not what's best for them

 

[SG-17]

Let Darwinism decide her fate. If she survives than it is all good. If she doesn't then another dumbass is prevented from reproducing.

A question though. I thought that a representative from Guinness had to witness a record breaking attempt for it to be official. So wouldn't that person have to be on the boat with her, or is satellite tracking enough?

 

[Flying Pig]

I assume it's enough, otherwise it would be an impossible record