Elimination Game Thread - Which Civs Need a Second Leader?

[luigilime]

Arabs 21
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 30
Germans 15+1=16 I think they need an industrial era leader
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Poles 5-3=2 they don't really need another leader
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish 19
Sumerians 9

 

[Xandinho]

Arabs 21 + 1 = 22 There are many good leaders, starting with Harun al-Rashid, who deserve much to be in the game.
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 30
Germans 16
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Poles 2 - 3 = -1 Eliminated. This is in lower priority to receive a leader among the civs of the list
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish 19
Sumerians 9

 

[Hammurabbit]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 31 = 30 +1 They have a number iconic leaders, Napoleon, Ludvig XIV, DeGaulle, etc
Germans 16
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish 19
Sumerians 6 = 9 - 3 I rather see the Babylonian civ do a comeback

 

[IgorS]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 31
Germans 16 + 1 = 17 Not a blob civ in any way
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish 19
Sumerians 6 - 3 = 3 - Should not have been in the game in the first place, replacing Babylon

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 31
Germans 17+1=18 - The Iron Chancellor needs to return.
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish 19
Sumerians 3-3=0 (ELIMINATED) - I cannot save them, so I'll end their suffering.

 

[Guandao]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French (31+1)=32 Needs a second leader
Germans 18
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 18
Russians 18
Spanish (19-3)=16 Not familiar with other Spanish leaders besides Isabella, and she's similar to Philip II and Jadwiga

 

[Roman Citizen]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20
French 32
Germans 18
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 18+1=19 All the remaining civ's could use a second leader and I have no problem if they get another one.
Russians 18
Spanish 16-3=13 While I wouldn't mind seeing El Cid, Carlos III, or Isabella again, Spain doesn't need a second leader as much as France or England.

 

[Morningcalm]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 20 + 1 = 21 (Could use an actual English leader. Henry V comes to mind (longbowmen also) but there are others.)
French 32
Germans 18
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 19 - 3 = 16 (The Roman leader already in the game represents what we know of as the apex of the empire, and most successful Roman Emperors would be very similar. Besides, we are likely to get Byzantium and some Italian citystate empire (Genoa/Venice), so the Romans are not a priority.
Russians 18
Spanish 13

 

[Manifold]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 21
French 32
Germans 18
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 17 (16+1) If we talk about a Civilization there is a undisputed number one. They offer well known and famous leaders of every couleur. A republican consul (Scipio, Marius, Sulla, Pompey) would be a great alternative for Trajan.
Russians 15 (18-3) Peter fits well. A separate Soviet Civ would add more to the game.
Spanish 13

 

[Guatenadian]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 21
French 32
Germans 19 (18+1) Germany has had a profound impact on history that should be reflected with the Iron Chancellor!
Indians 34
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 17
Russians 15
Spanish 10 (13-3) This hurts, but were at the point that Civs just have to go.

 

[Xandinho]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 21
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 34 + 1 = 35 An Indian alternative leader would add much to India.
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 17
Russians 15
Spanish 10 - 3 = 7 Difficult choice, while I think that all the civs on the list deserve an alternative leader, Spain already seems to me very well represented with Philip II, so that an alternative Spanish leader does not seem to me that would add something to Spain as compared to alternative leaders of the other civs of the list.

 

[IgorS]

Arabs 22
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29
English 21
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 17 - 3 = 14 - Less worthy of a second leader than the rest remaining in this elimination game
Russians 15 + 1 = 16 - Another leader would add much, although it cannot really be Catherine or Elizabeth, since they are too close to Peter, and no, the Soviets should not be a separate civ, because the USSR was not a separate civilization, but a chapter of Russian history (that lasted merely 70 years)
Spanish 7

 

[Kimiimaro]

Arabs 22-3=19 - Although I would like to see Harun al-Rashid making his return, I think Saladin is enough for now.
Chinese 28
Egyptians 29+1=30 - How about some leader that was actually Egyptian and that didn't lose his entire empire, like Ramesses II, Thutmose III or Hatshepsut?
English 21
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 18
Persians 19
Romans 14
Russians 16
Spanish 7

 

[Guandao]

Arabs 19
Chinese 28
Egyptians 30
English (21+1)=22 I want a leader who ruled England directly.
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese (18-3)=15 Emperors are off-limits (well I assume that), so alt leader choices for Japan are less interesting.
Persians 19
Romans 14
Russians 16
Spanish 7

 

[Manifold]

Arabs 19
Chinese 28
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 15
Persians 19
Romans 15 (14+1) If we talk about a Civilization there is an undisputed number one. They offer well known and famous leaders of every couleur.
Russians 13 (16-3) Peter fits well. A separate Soviet Civ would add more to the game.
Spanish 7

 

[Morningcalm]

Arabs 19
Chinese 28 + 1 = 29 (One of the most glorious civilizations in all of world history ought to at least get a second leader.)
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 15
Persians 19
Romans 15 - 3 = 12 (Their best leaders were all similar--successfully conquering and building across the Mediterranean. This is already represented by Trajan, who ruled the Empire at its height)
Russians 13
Spanish 7

 

[Guatenadian]

Arabs 19
Chinese 30 (29+1) I've said it before and I'll say it again, China is one of the oldest civilisations on Earth, we need to represent that.
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 15
Persians 19
Romans 9 (12-3) Rome was a grand civilisation, but Trajan represents them well. We don't need another Roman leader.
Russians 13
Spanish 7

 

[Roman Citizen]

Arabs 19
Chinese 30
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 35
Japanese 15
Persians 19-3=16 All of these could use a second leader and I would be in open arms of Persia getting a second leader but I'm very skeptical that we would ever have one of the DLC civs get a re-release in later content. Why would they re-release a DLC CIV (even if it has a different leader) in an expansion that would only lower the value of the DlC that Persia is in.
Romans 9+1=10 Rome has plenty of great leaders from different periods of time with various agendas to choice from. Not all options would have Trajan's objective for playing wide.
Russians 13
Spanish 7

 

[Hammurabbit]

Arabs 19
Chinese 30
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 32 = 35 - 3, would be weird not to play against Gandhi. I would rather see additions of Civ's that are part of early Indian history
Japanese 15
Persians 16
Romans 11 = 10 + 1, The Roman Empire is perhaps the most famous one in history and deserves a second leader
Russians 13
Spanish 7

 

[Morningcalm]

Arabs 19
Chinese 30
Egyptians 30
English 22
French 32
Germans 19
Indians 32 + 1 = 33 (Absolutely one of the most crucial civs to find a second leader for. If Ashoka is out due to his play style being too similar to Gandhi's, one could look to Akbar or Shivaji for a military bonus and cultural bonus of some type).
Japanese 15
Persians 16
Romans 11 - 3 = 8 (Being famous and important as a Civ doesn't mean a second leader isn't necessary, especially where the first one represented Rome (in bonuses) so well)
Russians 13
Spanish 7