I would try and challenge the definition of "one place". Google shopping does a good job of putting the worlds shops on one page, and after comparing all the prices you then go to that one shop, to get what you want. But yeah, that is kind of the one thing they have going for them.
Ethics of Amazon
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danjuno
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Yeah, there are a couple of other e-commerce sights I've been thinking of, and eBay is one of them.
Why not just let her do her thing? How would you feel if she tried to get you off of gaming forums?
I do not see gaming forums quite doing the harm to the world that amazon does.
Perhaps she feels the opposite? Or are we just to accept that you'll decide what's best for everyone?
If you don't want to use a shopping site then fine, you do you. But she obviously wants to use it, so he should let her be.
danjuno
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Seriously? Financially supporting a company that kills its own employees and is attempting to establish a monopoly in every sector of the US economy is just a matter of opinion or preference? What am I even supposed to say to that?
danjuno
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Yeah, I've backed off for a while while looking for another site that would be useful. I don't think she's necessarily unreceptive to the idea, it's the lack of an alternative that's the problem.
It's okay to have a list of bad things and then tilt at them. Amazon currently represents a lot of bad things in the world.
What then matters (if you cannot wean from supporting a necessary evil) is what you do with the financial savings you gain by supporting that evil in lieu of more moral alternatives. No different from owing on the fossil fuels we use to earn a living or the damaging consumption we need to maintain morale.
What then matters (if you cannot wean from supporting a necessary evil) is what you do with the financial savings you gain by supporting that evil in lieu of more moral alternatives. No different from owing on the fossil fuels we use to earn a living or the damaging consumption we need to maintain morale.
Zardnaar
Deity
Personally I would only buy off Amazon if I had no choice. I pay extra.
Last used 2014.
Last used 2014.
Zardnaar
Deity
I can't tell if you're trolling or not but you claim to be progressive.
Amazon is response for a lot of crappy things not least their labour laws.
If you like cheap crap so be it but you're essentially selling out.
Everyone always hates whoever is on top. You're going to be able to find bad stories from disgruntled ex-employees from any company. And Amazon at least treats its employees better than small family-run businesses do.
Hating on Amazon is a great example of "virtue signaling." You're not doing anything constructive, but it makes you feel morally superior.
Have you read this thread? While I am sure there are plenty of other bad companies, big and small, there is enough evidence to show that amazon is actively working against labour rights and the environment to justify a boycott. We all have to make our own decisions about the morality of how we spend our money, and where we put the priorities of what we want to achieve, to call actively working to reduce the profits of amazon for moral reason virtue signaling is missing the point of both the anti-amazon and virtue signaling (or perhaps just one by a long way, I guess).
Yeah, I've read a lot of nonsense in this thread. Like articles from anonymous-source disgruntled ex-employees. People lap it up due to confirmation bias, even when they have incomplete unverified stories to work from. Reading through this thread you can understand a lot of why anti-vaxxer movements exist (people find what they want to find on the internet)
Yes, I agree we need better labor laws. Amazon however pays their entry-level employees well above average and actually offers benefits, unlike "mom and pop" businesses.
I do not deny problems exist. Do you claim that Amazon is unique with having issues? If you do make such a claim then you're being disingenuous. Every employer, company, and organization has people who are dissatisfied.
No one is forced to do business with any company, heck there are many I won't shop at for one reason or another. But my eyes roll so hard they're going to fall out of my head with people thinking not shopping at Amazon is a sign of moral superiority.
It is not a question of moral superiority, but of moral responsibility.
That's just a different way of wording it.
And no, there's no "moral responsibility" to avoid using Amazon
I think giving money to the world's richest man is a bad use of resources.
I understand that there are turtles under the turtles, but going after the very top doesn't mean you have to topple all the turtles.
I understand that there are turtles under the turtles, but going after the very top doesn't mean you have to topple all the turtles.
So you feel that none of us should give any business at all to Amazon, and the >1 million people they employ should all be jobless?
It's not like we're donating money to Bezos' personal bank account. He founded Amazon and is an owner, so yes he gets profits from it. That's like 3rd grade economics and I feel weird even having to post that at all.
Shopping on Amazon is not a moral failing.
Fippy
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I agree with it's not a moral failing, but i also see nothing wrong in discussing their highly questionable practises.
So maybe some peoples consider to stop using them, and yup everyone can decide that on their own..without finger pointing.
So maybe some peoples consider to stop using them, and yup everyone can decide that on their own..without finger pointing.
How far would you go in denying moral responsibility for purchasing decisions? We as a world are thinking about this quite a bit in another conAnd no, there's no "moral responsibility" to avoid using Amazon
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