Safis offending NZ since apartheid.
Caused a riot touring here in 81 got cheered 95 iirc.
Did we ever boycott your country because of how your government chose to handle internal policy?
Migration is a positive thing. Both economically and culturally for the nation gaining migrants.
Imaginary lines drawn on a map should hold no sway on where a human can go and live. We should pity and support those forced from their homes. Noone wants to be a migrant.
We are all equal under God's.
It may be economically positive, but it is extremely negative, culturally.
Those lines exist to protect cultures. I've often wondered how Muslims would react if millions of White Christian and Jewish people migrated into their homelands and refused to assimilate. We don't need to speculate, we saw how they reacted in Algeria and in Mandatory Palestine. Why should we treat them well when they treated us horribly when the shoe was on the other foot?
It's funny you try to bring God into this, considering the vast majority of Syrians reject Him.
paul believes mass migration is bad.
Yes.
he does that because he doesn't like "the extinction of people like his". so yea. great replacement stuff. he thinks he speaks for "his people or people closely affiliated with his" here (and i'd like to personally say i'm very happy he has no real say in eu politics)
I think that the European diaspora should get some say in European politics.
he opened this thread because the arab spring thread was being derailed and he still wanted to talk about "bad" "mass" migration.
so now people can input on this as it's no longer derailing a thread.
Yes.
Borders are for statists.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Oh, you're back from vacation.
The Boer Republics will one day be back from "vacation", too...although they were taken from us many years ago, we will get them back someday...think of how many centuries Jews prayed to get Israel back when they were in exile, and they got it. By the same token, we will get our Boer Republics back. It was not nice to take them away.
The forum has always been mostly left-leaning. The most vociferous, hostile right-leaners usually get overenthusiastic with their soap box ranting and carrying on, and tend to take longer and longer vacations until one day they never come back.
That surprises me. One of my favorite things to do in Civ was to right historic wrongs. For example, playing the ACW scenario in Civ 5 and winning as the Confederacy, playing the RFCE mod in Civ 4 and conquering and Christianizing Algeria as France, playing the SOI mod in Civ 4 and keeping Asia Minor an Orthodox Christian and Byzantine land.
Headscarves... sheesh. If they want to wear them, who cares? It's their choice. If they're forced to wear them or suffer punishment (or ultimately death in far too many instances in both Iran and around the world with so-called "honor killings"), that's a different story.
When in Rome, dress as the Romans do.
Are you opposed to all scarves, or only hijabs?
I'm opposed to those with a cultural connotation in lands that that culture is not really a true part of. I don't care if they want to wear headscarves in their own native lands, I just don't want them to wear them in our lands.
if the aim is success/better standard of living countries should generally try to accept migrants who are economically beneficial and tend to assimilate, and reject migrants who bring living standards down for current citizens.
Multiculturalism brings living standards down for native citizens.
in practice, countries do what they want and improve or decline on those choices.
Our current world would look like a dystopia to our forefathers.
Except this only makes sense if they deport naturalised (by birth or whatever) citizens who also bring living standards down. Except countries don't. So it's not rational, it's simply an increased barrier to people who happen to be coming into the country (again, assuming they're not rich and simply can't bypass the living standard requirements by dint of having money).
Migration is not a human right. How about this, I want to migrate into your house. Should I ask for your permission, or should I just break in and then call you bigoted when you try to remove me?
This whole "accept migrants who follow the standards i have decreed" frequently comes with zero introspection on what those standards are and why. It's probably a coincidence though, I wouldn't think about it too much.
We could always just accept no migrants, or a very small number...
The British of today wouldn't exist if it wasn't for thousands of years of largely uncontrolled immigration. Its that mingling that has created the present mixture. I'm not sure its better or worse than what we were a thousand or a hundred years ago but I suspect trying to hold a culture in stasis is harmful to it, and doomed to failure.
This is a myth. There was more migration to Britain any year of the 21st century than there was from 1066-1952, combined.
I always like Stewart Lee's take on migration
Of course you do.
"How we gonna stop them browns from moving into white neighborhoods?!?!?!?!"
Yeah, that sums it up.
Let's move to their lands and neighborhoods en masse and see how they like it...
@AmazonQueen: This video is geoblocked. Can you summarize it?
Do you not know how to use a VPN?
Sorry, didn't realise.
Stewart Lee has Paul Nuttall of Ukip going back in history complaining about the Bulgarians, Poles, Indians and Pakistanis etc all the way back to the Beaker Folk, Neo-Lithic peoples and the first fish to leave the sea all coming here, taking our land, (and contributing to our culture).
UKIP is pretty good, but the BNP is better. Under John Tyndall, the BNP was a little too extreme, but Nick Griffin has moderated them, and gotten rid of the antisemitism and made them a respectable party. If I lived in the UK, I would vote for them.
I’d figure, since Uncle Paul is so insistent upon it: “But muh White Afrikaner Ethnostate!!”.
I could just as well say you're so insistent upon "muh multicultural state with no real identity."
We took some refugees from Arab spring here. See them in the local parks with kids on the playgrounds.
Turns out Syrian kids like kiwi kids playgrounds for some strange reason. Nephew played with one few years back. Mum's English was poor so the kids translated. They were from Aleppo wife delivered appliances to them.
The longer they stay, the less likely it becomes they will return home when the war is over...
WTH? There's no such thing as cultural continuity.
Permanence is illusory.
Yes, there is, and headscarf-wearing Muslims praying in Europe in Arabic is not part of European culture.
Prejudice I can understand but tradionalism and some nostalgia for a characture of some past you didn't even experience is bizarre to me.
Do you mean "traditionalism" and "caricature"?
