If every country which ever caused a 'problem' to the world was eliminated, we wouldnt have any countries left. You have any particular incidents you wish to name, at which point you can try to name a country that hasnt caused just as much grief at some point in time. If you cant, I advice you to stop and think several minutes before opening your mouth to spew anti-American rhetoric without anything to back it up.
European thread
- Thread starter Yoda Power
- Start date
Ancient Grudge
Its all in this life
ok ok somalia usa backed coups the dropping of nulear bombs on nagasaki and hiroshima. 5,000 afghans killed so far thanks to the supposed war on terroism. the thousands of children starving in iraq thanx to sancations. u call the twin towers evil wot about agent orange eh?
God
God
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2001
- Messages
- 1,354
5,000 Afghans is alot of innocent people. 3000 died at WTC. Yes more Afghans but the US/the World needed to get rid of the Taliban.
Thousands of children starving in Iraq- True, but maybe a few thousand less would starve if Saddam did something about it. And the fact is that there are starving children all over this world. You can't blame the US for that. What about it Africa. European powers divided it up and they saw fit and the whole continent is in a mess.
Nukes- Yes over 100,000 died. But it would have been millions if there was an invasion. In the end this was for the better of all people. I don't believe the US government knew that there would be raidation causing human mutations years after.
Agent Orange- Yes its horrible too. But in WW1 Germans and French were using poison gases too. People have used all kinds of horrible weapons against others.
You can't blame the US for all problems in the world. Some they may cause, some another country causes. Everybody causes problems and some try to fix some dont'. (Not saying the US doesn't try to fix them).
Thousands of children starving in Iraq- True, but maybe a few thousand less would starve if Saddam did something about it. And the fact is that there are starving children all over this world. You can't blame the US for that. What about it Africa. European powers divided it up and they saw fit and the whole continent is in a mess.
Nukes- Yes over 100,000 died. But it would have been millions if there was an invasion. In the end this was for the better of all people. I don't believe the US government knew that there would be raidation causing human mutations years after.
Agent Orange- Yes its horrible too. But in WW1 Germans and French were using poison gases too. People have used all kinds of horrible weapons against others.
You can't blame the US for all problems in the world. Some they may cause, some another country causes. Everybody causes problems and some try to fix some dont'. (Not saying the US doesn't try to fix them).
Ancient Grudge
Its all in this life
y get rid of the taliban it was doing some good the amount of opium being produced in afghanistan was reduced dramitaclly they were doing some good and wasnt the point to destroy al-Qeada not the taliban. ohhhhh and trying to stop terroism y have fund raisers for the I.R.A then
Ancient Grudge
Its all in this life
so u pick and choose who r being oppressed and who rnt. What gave u the rite ummmm let me think being the only superpower. who helped install the taliban ( mudjhadin) ummmmmmm the U.S.A u turn on ppl u help when they end there usfelness
Portuguese
Vassalising Spain
It is like when you have a rotweiller. When it turns to you , you'll have to kill him (comparing Bin Laden to the dog).
My appologies in advance for rotweiller owners.
And if by some mean I offend you, sorry. This is post is not intended to offend anyone.
But the comparisson is too good and I couldn't resist...
My appologies in advance for rotweiller owners.
And if by some mean I offend you, sorry. This is post is not intended to offend anyone.
But the comparisson is too good and I couldn't resist...
Ancient Grudge
Its all in this life
ok and iraq u americans scared off him no? y r u he cant reach u safe in america its the populace of turkey and israel that should be wprried anyway who gave him the cultures to start his chemical and biological weapons programs let me think the U.S.A
Pillager
League of Empire Loyalist
Well, Turkey and Israel are rather strong allies of the West. Plus, I can just imagine what your ilk would say if Bush said "Hey, it's a long way away. Why bother trying to stop a few hundred thousand deaths, seeing as their not American?" 
And use punctuation.
And use punctuation.
Ancient Grudge
Its all in this life
make me
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
oh c'mon, *make me*, better let a mod not see that, it's very close to spam and suggesting thread-jacking.
I don't think any country should attack Iraq without the backup of the UN anyway. If the USA attacks it'll kill the UN. But back to the EU, I'm a supporter of the whole European Army thing.
I don't think any country should attack Iraq without the backup of the UN anyway. If the USA attacks it'll kill the UN. But back to the EU, I'm a supporter of the whole European Army thing.
yaroslav
Emperor
You're wellcome
Originally posted by Portuguese
I like your spirit.I'm not exactly like that. Although I have no reasons to hate any place...
I just like some ones more than others...
You can find something good on all places
Yes
Originally posted by Portuguese
I'm sure that if he knew he was going to be elected he wouldn't promise that...
Yes, his place is assured. is sure important in Europe's history!
I have a doubt here: Why do you call it president?!?
Spain have a King and he is the Prime minister. Is he not?
He knew that he was going to be elected. He promise it because he think that he'll get more seats on parlament with that
In fact, Aznar title is 'President of the Governement'. Is a Spanish trend to call 'President of the Governement' to what others countries call Prime minister. But, yes, you have reason: we've King (Sad. I love republic..) and Aznar is Prime minister. Foreign press call him prime minister. It's my fault, but it's a trend so embebed...
Originally posted by Portuguese
That was the biggest SID error till date:
Who the Hell were Holland and France to be even compared to Portuguese possessions!?!?!?!?
Brasil is that BIG thing on South America's Map! Impossible to fail.
Louisiana and that Dutch cities were not even close to BRAZILian size!
That was my point
Originally posted by Portuguese
I went to Alentejo the last summer and I almost melted. Boy that's hot...
Of course that Alentejo is less developed and Andalucia has more to offer to tourists! And we have much more places to rest from the sun...
Since 1975 that Alentejo has becoming desertic land...
Almeria is also a desert. In fact, some 'Far West' movies were make there..
Our bugdet is without deficit, but with much , much less investment, and less direct taxes but more indirect taxes. That's what you can expect from a rigth governement
Fortunately enough, our economy is growing very, very fast. I'm also finish my degree (Telecommunications Engineering) on this year, so it's also worst time for me. But Telecommunications on Spain have no unemployement problem on this years...[Final note: Sorry for deleting some smileys, but CfC gets mad with so many smilies...]
willemvanoranje
Curitibano
Originally posted by Portuguese
That was the biggest SID error till date:
Who the Hell were Holland and France to be even compared to Portuguese possessions!?!?!?!?
Brasil is that BIG thing on South America's Map! Impossible to fail.
Louisiana and that Dutch cities were not even close to BRAZILian size!
Holland were the ones that took over world power from ya, plus loads of colonies in Afrika and Asia. On top of that, our largest American colony was in fact a great part of Brazil, probably conquered from you guys. Recife was part of it, I think founded by Portuguese, but conquered by us Dutchmen. Another thing: Indonesia. Besides (for the French), Louisiana back then was a whole lot bigger than today, and if you add those colonized parts of Canada to it, it [is] bigger than Brazil. But hey, we Dutch aren't included in Civ II or III or PTW either (only in CTP, as are the Portuguese), so...
insurgent
Exhausted
CNN: Today a historic moral peace was agreed upon by representatives of Portugal and Russia. The representatives, known as yaroslav (from Spain) and Portuguese (from Portugal) reached agreement on this Saturday. This amazing turn in Iberian politics, after extensive negotiations (known as the Big big answer negotiations), was achieved on an internet forum, known as "Civilization Fanatics' Forums".
Immediately the foundations of this agreement have been criticised by the Dutch representatives in the forums.
...
Immediately the foundations of this agreement have been criticised by the Dutch representatives in the forums.
...
bmStrosstrupp
3rd SS Totenkopf
I will take this oppurtunity to raise a point close to my heart. National Pride. To be quite honest I don't want to have Great Britain run by socialist cowards in Brussels. The europeans can be quite weak and I don't see that changing. I for one do not want to loose the British pound for euros. Britian has a glorious history behind it and I don't want to be in any way associated with selling out to Europe. Great Britain should be run by Great Britons. Besides which I can't stand the frogs.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves
And Britons shall never, ever, ever,
Shall be slaves
On a side note Yoda don't worry about the idiots in the forum just identify them and ignore them. When I see ceratian names appear in a topic I just don't bother reading their posts because it always comes down to the same crap. Don't let them drag you into their sad world.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves
And Britons shall never, ever, ever,
Shall be slaves
On a side note Yoda don't worry about the idiots in the forum just identify them and ignore them. When I see ceratian names appear in a topic I just don't bother reading their posts because it always comes down to the same crap. Don't let them drag you into their sad world.
insurgent
Exhausted
bmStrosstrupp:
About the socialists, we need to clean up and reform down there. And it can be done if the people supports it. More and more govs are conservative, the Union will slowly transform into a less socialist one. I'm all for reforming the union, not abandoning.
But on the other hand I am a federalist. I want a united Europe. And you don't.
And that's a fair point. I believe there are great and beautiful propects in a united, peaceful, and prospering Europe. I believe Europe has a great heritage, an amazing history, and a culture and civilisation which has endured and outlived all other. The entire Western civilisation is based on the European. That's why Europe is so great.
But today we are weak, our history is no longer the history of the world. United we could retake our rightful historic place as a leading super power.
No more weakness, a future united in diversity.
That would be my punchline.
And that's actually what I'm proud of too - Europe. Of course I have national pride for my country, Denmark, but I need to see beyond that.
About the socialists, we need to clean up and reform down there. And it can be done if the people supports it. More and more govs are conservative, the Union will slowly transform into a less socialist one. I'm all for reforming the union, not abandoning.
But on the other hand I am a federalist. I want a united Europe. And you don't.
And that's a fair point. I believe there are great and beautiful propects in a united, peaceful, and prospering Europe. I believe Europe has a great heritage, an amazing history, and a culture and civilisation which has endured and outlived all other. The entire Western civilisation is based on the European. That's why Europe is so great.
But today we are weak, our history is no longer the history of the world. United we could retake our rightful historic place as a leading super power.
No more weakness, a future united in diversity.
That would be my punchline.
And that's actually what I'm proud of too - Europe. Of course I have national pride for my country, Denmark, but I need to see beyond that.
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Contrary to most here I think the EU will probably fail, at least unless something really big (and ugly) will bring people together.
Let's face it, the Socialists hate it because they think it is undemocratic and Capitalist ruled and the conservatives hate it because they think it is a Socialist bureaucracy that takes away their nationalities. Why should that change anytime soon?
Yesterday was a bad day for the union. Germany and France agreed to keep up the farm subsidies, even after letting in more members. This will ruin us if it's continued much longer. In fact it's already ruining us now.
Let's face it, the Socialists hate it because they think it is undemocratic and Capitalist ruled and the conservatives hate it because they think it is a Socialist bureaucracy that takes away their nationalities. Why should that change anytime soon?
Yesterday was a bad day for the union. Germany and France agreed to keep up the farm subsidies, even after letting in more members. This will ruin us if it's continued much longer. In fact it's already ruining us now.
bmStrosstrupp
3rd SS Totenkopf
A part of me knows that a single europe would be a good thing but it will be a long road to take to get there. In the mean time what happens to the member countries. One thing which really pisses me of is the Spain factor. They are constantly whinning about how poor they are and howthey need more EU money. EU money = British, French, Germany etc tax payers money. The taxs payers have handed out money to spain for motor ways, construction, farming yet nothing gets returned. The bastards in Spain are a lazy lot willing to continually syphon off others wealth. If that was'nt enough they are allowed to fish in British waters! What about our fishing requirements? That is just an example of one of my many fears about joining as a European state.
Unfortunately It is likely to be the only road that Britain can take to become a super power.
If only the empire had enjured...
Unfortunately It is likely to be the only road that Britain can take to become a super power.
If only the empire had enjured...
yaroslav
Emperor
I firmly believe that there is not necesity to offend people from other countries...
