Evidence for creationism

[El_Machinae]

Yeah, impersonating Peter.

 

[Left]

/oh brother.

I would appreciate it if you would ease up on referring to my faith largely as 'mythology'. As a practicing christian, its more than a little insulting to me to be honest. Its gotten to the point that even though I am not a biblical literalist, its crossing the line. Give it a break.

Mythology doesn't mean "fake".

Genesis, The Inferno and Paradise Lost, to name some already brought are all part of Christian Mythology.

 

[Traitorfish]

/oh brother.

I would appreciate it if you would ease up on referring to my faith largely as 'mythology'. As a practicing christian, its more than a little insulting to me to be honest. Its gotten to the point that even though I am not a biblical literalist, its crossing the line. Give it a break.

Why? You use the term "Greek mythology", I'm sure, despite the thriving Heterosexuals don't bang dudes[/QUOTE] Heterosexuals don't feel any sexual attraction towards their own gender. Whether or not they have sex with them as an entirely different matter."]Hellenic Reconstructionist movement. Let's not fling our privilege around so casually, eh?

 

[Arakhor]

I'm a non-practising Christian, but I don't find it offensive in the slightest to call Genesis and suchlike mythology, simply because it is. It's not until Moses that the Bible can be said to be recording history.

 

[kill fire]

Come to think of it, what does Lucifer actually DO? I mean, God basically says "play by my rules or I'll kill you." In fact, if you break his rules, he won't just kill you, he'll kill innocent people who had nothing to do with what you did, just to make sure the message gets across. He actually pretty much sounds like a cruel dictator to me.

And what does Lucifer do? He decides he doesn't want to serve God. Wow, it's so horrible that he doesn't want some cruel and unforgiving tyrant to run the universe. He sure is the most evil being in existence.

 

[MobBoss]

Mythology doesn't mean "fake".

Myth = fiction, and or imaginary.

Why? You use the term "Greek mythology", I'm sure, despite the thriving Hellenic Reconstructionist movement. Let's not fling our privilege around so casually, eh?

I wouldnt be rude to someone who believed in that religion literally, and if they asked me to not refer to their beliefs as 'myth' I would honor that request. It would simply be the polite thing to do.

 

[Bill3000]

A myth does not mean "a false story." This colloquial definition is an inappropriate one when dealing with the study of myths. A myth is a traditional story which embodies a belief regarding some fact or phenomenon of experience. The veracity of myths tend to be irrelevant, anyway, as the function of a myth isn't dependent on its truth value.

 

[shadowplay]

I'm a non-practising Christian, but I don't find it offensive in the slightest to call Genesis and suchlike mythology, simply because it is. It's not until Moses that the Bible can be said to be recording history.

There's a very interesting thread in the history forum right now called "Which Biblical Characters Do You Believe Existed?" which can be found here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=395178

It really got me to start thinking: at what point in the Bible do the myths and metaphors end, and the reality begin? Okay, a lot of us believe Adam is metaphorical and a myth and never existed. But what about Abraham? Moses? Joshua? Jesus?

It really got me thinking about how I approach the Bible.

 

[MobBoss]

Bill, Do you justify being rude all the time or just in this case?

Seriously, if someone that believes in a religion finds it offensive to refer to it as mythical/imaginary/ etc. etc. why do you then try to justify or defend doing so?

Whats to be gained by doing that?

 

[Left]

Myth = fiction, and or imaginary.

The word for "fake story" is fable. Myths are "true stories" to explain or describe historical events.

 

[Traitorfish]

Ever noticed how quickly conservatives become fans of political correctness when they feel that they're being put out?

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm a non-practising Christian, but I don't find it offensive in the slightest to call Genesis and suchlike mythology, simply because it is. It's not until Moses that the Bible can be said to be recording history.

Well, while Genesis is mythology, it's important to know that the stories about Moses aren't history either. Exodus continues to be part of the mythos. It's not until about the time of Solomon does the Bible's telling of history reasonably approximate real history. Remember, most of the OT was compiled/redacted during the Babylonian era, so there's no reason for them to remember much about their previous kingdoms.

The mythology I was referring to upthread, however, was the description of what Satan is doing in Hell right now. We have many vivid pictures, but the great majority of them are built from descriptions that really needn't be considered. It would be like a discussion of the war between Lovecraft's elder gods: Lovecraft didn't give us enough to really say what was going on, and a comprehensive description shouldn't be believed.

 

[Arakhor]

I'm more than willing to accept that, El Machinae, but I was thinking more about the Egyptian angle. It could still all be legendary, to explain the migration from Egypt and so on.

 

[Murky]

Bill, Do you justify being rude all the time or just in this case?

Seriously, if someone that believes in a religion finds it offensive to refer to it as mythical/imaginary/ etc. etc. why do you then try to justify or defend doing so?

Whats to be gained by doing that?

How is it an insult to call a myth a myth? Is it an insult to call a work of fiction, a work of fiction?

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm more than willing to accept that, El Machinae, but I was thinking more about the Egyptian angle. It could still all be legendary, to explain the migration from Egypt and so on.

There was no Egyptian migration

Like ... at all. That's why I called the whole Moses thing mythical. Or a fable, as Left might prefer. edit: due to later correction, not fable.

The people that became the Israelites are the same people that were the Canaanites. They were the tribesmen who survived the fall of their city states hundreds of years before the supposed 'Exodus'.

There was no Canaan conquest. There was no Exodus.
Now eventually it looks like those tribes were brought under the banner of kingdom, and so the kingdom associated with Solomon coincides (roughly) with the appearance of new prosperous kingdoms in the region.

But, again, the mythology I was referring to (upthread) was regarding the picture of the Devil's current status in Hell.

 

[Cu Chulainn]

/oh brother.

I would appreciate it if you would ease up on referring to my faith largely as 'mythology'. As a practicing christian, its more than a little insulting to me to be honest. Its gotten to the point that even though I am not a biblical literalist, its crossing the line. Give it a break.

is a response to:

2 Peter has no input on the debate. I was written by someone impersonating Paul. We know that 2 Peter has no insight into the nature of reality, because it makes a classic mistake in assuming that Adam, Eve, and Noah were real history

which does not use the word "myth" even once. If you find it insulting that we don't let your religion dictate that completely unproven events are history, then you're just going to have to be insulted. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, you are not entitled to have your beliefs taken as fact.

To clarify what is the difference between a religious story and a myth? Does it just come down to whether or not someone actually believes it?

 

[MagisterCultuum]

A myth is a plot, a story of emotional, religious, or cultural significance, whether true or not. In the technical sense I have no problem with calling the bible or even the holocaust myths, but when it is clear the speaker means the colloquial sense I have a problem with either.


Why would anyone think that Satan is in hell right now doing anything? In Job he is described as roaming freely on Earth, and in the New testament is called the god of this world, whose throne was said to have been in the city of Pergamum (where Emperor worship began). It is only in the realm of human affairs than evil has power, not some other plane where imps torture the souls they stole.

 

[Cu Chulainn]

A myth is a plot, a story of emotional, religious, or cultural significance, whether true or not. In the technical sense I have no problem with calling the bible or even the holocaust myths, but when it is clear the speaker means the colloquial sense I have a problem with either.

Are you equating the Bible with the Holocaust?

 

[Left]

There was no Egyptian migration

Like ... at all. That's why I called the whole Moses thing mythical. Or a fable, as Left might prefer.

That would qualify as myth in that it was regarded as historical fact or was a historical explanation for something.

Important to note that myth is believed historical interpretation and not equivalent to scholarly history.

 

[RedRalph]

Bill, Do you justify being rude all the time or just in this case?

Seriously, if someone that believes in a religion finds it offensive to refer to it as mythical/imaginary/ etc. etc. why do you then try to justify or defend doing so?

Whats to be gained by doing that?

I'll not call religion mythology if you no longer call Socialism wrong. You are not being insulted, and you have no right to not be offended.