Askthepizzaguy
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Domination3000, I am calling you out. 
If you ignore any of these points, then you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about and you're reflexively defending an idea that you can't actually defend when someone calls you on your factual errors. So why bother continue posting?
Until you respond to this, I'm going to ask every single person who replies to you to link back to this post, so you will remember that everything you say is not being taken seriously until you finally address these points.
Point number 1:
Two animals is not enough genetic diversity for a species to survive. That is why when pandas get down to enough that you can count them on your hands, that's the end of pandas.
Point number 2:
All animals on board the ark need to eat, for a long period of time on a rickety ship in the middle of the greatest storm EVER. Noah would have had to get a whole bunch of live animals for the predators to eat, so you have to make room for that, and there also needs to be great big bales of hay for the cows and all kinds of matter for the Horses and Zebra and everything else under the sun. Some kinds of foods don't keep during the journey, because there's no such thing as refrigeration. The animals that are used as food also need to eat. Feces and urine are EVERYWHERE. Noah would need to have separate compartments for each breeding pair. What if one of them got sick and died? What if some got loose and ate one of the unicorns? (Oh....) What if one of the animals were sterile?
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Point number 4:
Point number 5:
The world is EMPTY. There's nothing for them to eat except the magical plants that shouldn't have survived the flood at all. I guess God must have planted more animals down there for the carnivores to hunt.
Point number 6:
Point number 7:
There isn't some magical force field which stops micro-evolution in its tracks when creatures evolve so differently from one another that they can't interbreed anymore, to prevent them from becoming genetically incompatible. They stop breeding with each other and over time, there are chromosomal differences which create situations like the mule.... offspring is possible, but they are sterile.
Micro-evolution is marco-evolution, in as much that a branch of a tree is part of an entire tree. You know how 2 times 2 is four? Well if you multiply it again, it gets bigger than that, and it's called exponential powers of two. What you're arguing is that the only things which are proven to exist are 2 and 4, and you deny that 4 can become 8 and 16, ever. And the reason you give for this is none whatsoever, but your stubborn beliefs. When you admit that 2x2 is 4, you have to admit that 4x2 is 8. Micro evolution is macro evolution.
Point number 8:
If the ark, as written in the bible, was literally not big enough to hold the millions of different animal species by volume, their plant and animal food, their massive amounts of feces and urine, and certainly not enough to stay afloat, and Noah sure as all heck didn't bring freshwater fish and all the various plants and bacteria of the world aboard the ark. So, where did all the millions of modern species come from, if not from the ark?
If they split off from the species on the ark, that means you believe in evolution, by definition. Except the evolution you believe in is:
Point number 9:
You either:
1. Believe that 2 of every single member of every single species today (and all the ones that have gone extinct in the meantime) and animals for those other animals to hunt and all the food and all the seeds for all the plantlife and gigantic aquariums filled with freshwater fish were all on the ark, built by a 600 year old elderly gentleman who is capable of marching his elderly butt around the entire planet with big nets and wagons filled with trapped animals who never needed to eat and never died and never got injured and never ate each other, while also dodging all the DINOSAURS that the Bible never mentions, had them ALL survive the long journey back to the ark, and had them all survive on the ark, and had them all exit the ark and somehow magically still had things to eat, and somehow magically there were the same plant species alive after the flood as before, and somehow magically all the insects survived the flood even though SOME OF THEM don't even have life spans long enough to last THROUGH the flood.... Giant buckets of animal excrement, being carried up to the top deck and dumped overboard, over and over again, for 40 days and 40 nights, nothing but tubs filled to the brim with hot liquid feces, all carried by a 600 year old man... (This story has a lot in common with these giant buckets of excrement) Oh and after they make landfall, the animals magically teleported back to their home continents.
2. You believe 99% of the points in number 1, but you ALSO believe in magic special hyper-pokemon evolution that happened after Noah's flood, a few thousand years ago, during which time there were humans recording history in Bibles and none of them ever mentioned evolution, even though that would have been without a doubt God's GREATEST miracle, and you also believe that this evolution stopped and is not happening anymore, because you don't believe in evolution.
3. You accept the current scientific consensus, which involves a lot more people with a lot more education and a lot more experience and a lot more data and a lot more evidence and understanding of the universe than you, who believe to an extraordinary degree that:
There are only three choices. Which one is it? One, Two, or Three??? Please pick one and stick with it. While you make your selection, please enjoy the following music.
If you ignore any of these points, then you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about and you're reflexively defending an idea that you can't actually defend when someone calls you on your factual errors. So why bother continue posting?
Until you respond to this, I'm going to ask every single person who replies to you to link back to this post, so you will remember that everything you say is not being taken seriously until you finally address these points.
Point number 1:
Two animals is not enough genetic diversity for a species to survive. That is why when pandas get down to enough that you can count them on your hands, that's the end of pandas.
- Do you understand this?
Point number 2:
All animals on board the ark need to eat, for a long period of time on a rickety ship in the middle of the greatest storm EVER. Noah would have had to get a whole bunch of live animals for the predators to eat, so you have to make room for that, and there also needs to be great big bales of hay for the cows and all kinds of matter for the Horses and Zebra and everything else under the sun. Some kinds of foods don't keep during the journey, because there's no such thing as refrigeration. The animals that are used as food also need to eat. Feces and urine are EVERYWHERE. Noah would need to have separate compartments for each breeding pair. What if one of them got sick and died? What if some got loose and ate one of the unicorns? (Oh....) What if one of the animals were sterile?
- How could the ark support the weight of tens of thousands of different species, their food and the other animals they would have had to eat? What did Noah do with all of that urine and fecal matter? Most of the ship is underwater, did he spend all that time carrying gigantic buckets filled with excrement to the top deck?
- How did the tens of thousands of different species radiate into the millions of species we know of today without evolution?
- If you say God's magic, you're admitting this is all nonsense. But everyone else already knows that it is. "God did it" isn't a catch-all escape button you can press. Even with God, it has to make sense, or you're just making stuff up like how Santa Claus can give presents to people who live in apartment buildings without a chimney (hint: he makes a magical chimney).
Point number 3:
- What happened to all the fresh water creatures? They all died didn't they?
- Conversely, if the ocean magically became fresh water, what happened to all the salt water creatures? Didn't they die?
- Or did God nicely divide this ocean into fresh water and salt water oceans with his magic?
- Where did the water go? It doesn't seep "back into the earth" because heat and pressure forces it back out. It doesn't go into the atmosphere, because the added heat and pressure makes us DIE.
Point number 4:
- What happened to all the plants?
- All plant life would have died at the bottom of the ocean. How did the dove get the olive branch? How in the blue hades was there an olive tree alive?
- Did it magically spring up as soon as the flood waters went down, even though the ground was now saturated with salt? From where did it come? How did an olive seed survive the flood? Was that also magic?
Point number 5:
- What did the animals who stepped off the ark have to eat? Remember, you used up all your food on the journey, and these are carnivores.
The world is EMPTY. There's nothing for them to eat except the magical plants that shouldn't have survived the flood at all. I guess God must have planted more animals down there for the carnivores to hunt.
- Why didn't they eat each other after stepping off the ark? They survived the flood, but suddenly the deer got eaten by the wolves, and now no more deer.
Point number 6:
- How did species that are native to North America, South America, the pacific islands, Australia, Asia, Africa, Greenland, and Europe manage to all find their way back to these specific continents AND ONLY THESE CONTINENTS or these islands in the middle of bum-(bleep) nowhere?
- Did God put them there? Pick them up, or magically teleport them? If so, why have an ark in the first place?
- Why couldn't God simply snap his fingers and make all the undesirables disappear instead of have this ELABORATE AND COMPLETELY NONSENSICAL EVENT destroy these life forms, and then confusingly re-arrange them around the planet to look AS IF IT NEVER HAPPENED?
Point number 7:
- You do realize that micro-evolution is evolution, right? You do realize that over a long period of time, species WILL diverge so much that they can't interbreed anymore and will be considered distinct species?
There isn't some magical force field which stops micro-evolution in its tracks when creatures evolve so differently from one another that they can't interbreed anymore, to prevent them from becoming genetically incompatible. They stop breeding with each other and over time, there are chromosomal differences which create situations like the mule.... offspring is possible, but they are sterile.
Micro-evolution is marco-evolution, in as much that a branch of a tree is part of an entire tree. You know how 2 times 2 is four? Well if you multiply it again, it gets bigger than that, and it's called exponential powers of two. What you're arguing is that the only things which are proven to exist are 2 and 4, and you deny that 4 can become 8 and 16, ever. And the reason you give for this is none whatsoever, but your stubborn beliefs. When you admit that 2x2 is 4, you have to admit that 4x2 is 8. Micro evolution is macro evolution.
Point number 8:
If the ark, as written in the bible, was literally not big enough to hold the millions of different animal species by volume, their plant and animal food, their massive amounts of feces and urine, and certainly not enough to stay afloat, and Noah sure as all heck didn't bring freshwater fish and all the various plants and bacteria of the world aboard the ark. So, where did all the millions of modern species come from, if not from the ark?
If they split off from the species on the ark, that means you believe in evolution, by definition. Except the evolution you believe in is:
- magical
- happens during written history, in full view of mankind, and no one ever writes about it and calls it miraculous
- something that suddenly stopped a couple thousand years ago before people of science would have noticed it, for no reason whatsoever (so you can deny evolution exists).
Point number 9:
- How did Noah get these animals to the ark? Did he circumnavigate the globe? If so, why didn't the church know the earth was ROUND??
- Did they swim?
- Was it magic???
Bottom line, end of fantasy land:
You either:
1. Believe that 2 of every single member of every single species today (and all the ones that have gone extinct in the meantime) and animals for those other animals to hunt and all the food and all the seeds for all the plantlife and gigantic aquariums filled with freshwater fish were all on the ark, built by a 600 year old elderly gentleman who is capable of marching his elderly butt around the entire planet with big nets and wagons filled with trapped animals who never needed to eat and never died and never got injured and never ate each other, while also dodging all the DINOSAURS that the Bible never mentions, had them ALL survive the long journey back to the ark, and had them all survive on the ark, and had them all exit the ark and somehow magically still had things to eat, and somehow magically there were the same plant species alive after the flood as before, and somehow magically all the insects survived the flood even though SOME OF THEM don't even have life spans long enough to last THROUGH the flood.... Giant buckets of animal excrement, being carried up to the top deck and dumped overboard, over and over again, for 40 days and 40 nights, nothing but tubs filled to the brim with hot liquid feces, all carried by a 600 year old man... (This story has a lot in common with these giant buckets of excrement) Oh and after they make landfall, the animals magically teleported back to their home continents.
OR
2. You believe 99% of the points in number 1, but you ALSO believe in magic special hyper-pokemon evolution that happened after Noah's flood, a few thousand years ago, during which time there were humans recording history in Bibles and none of them ever mentioned evolution, even though that would have been without a doubt God's GREATEST miracle, and you also believe that this evolution stopped and is not happening anymore, because you don't believe in evolution.
OR
3. You accept the current scientific consensus, which involves a lot more people with a lot more education and a lot more experience and a lot more data and a lot more evidence and understanding of the universe than you, who believe to an extraordinary degree that:
- Evolution is a slow and natural process that continues today and has occurred over the past several billion years, and that Young Earth theory and man walking with dinosaurs is all wrong and Biblical literalism is DEAD WRONG, which means your entire faith is WRONG if it believes the Bible is the inerrant word of God AND meant to be taken literally!
There are only three choices. Which one is it? One, Two, or Three??? Please pick one and stick with it. While you make your selection, please enjoy the following music.
