I am not trying to argue at this point for infinity of the mind although that could also be true in some sense but mainly I am trying to point out that mind may in fact be largely a non-physical existence. And if it were so equoating it with the size of its physical vehicle wouldnt make much sense.
Existence of God (split from old thread)
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I feel validated when the NPCs of this simulation believe what I say.
I used to enjoy being an NPC in your simulation, but then I took an arrow to the knee
civver_764
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I don't see the contradiction.
The internet is finite in size and yet does not reside in a singular point in space that you could point to either. There are other examples of this as well.
Sure, it's possible, but there is 0 reason or evidence for us to think that this is true. To clarify I am sticking to the facts here and trying to not get wrapped up in hypotheticals. All signs point to the mind originating in the brain, so it's sensible to assume that this is the case, unless evidence is unearthed that suggests otherwise, at which point in time it would be wise to revisit that assumption.
civver_764
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The internet is only finite in size if we use a definition that is measurable (ie. the amount of daily traffic). The general concept of the internet is not really a real thing, and can't be measured.
If we try to pinpoint who "you" are, we find that it's very much an impossible thing to do. Yet we know that we, our experience, is more real than anything else. We can't even conceive of life or the universe without the experience of it, that's why I say it is infinite. It is the underlying fabric of everything, and it is you.
warpus
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Point me to one aspect of the internet that is infinite. I can't think of one.
Just because something is not easy to measure or impossible to measure does not mean that it is infinite. Why do you think that would be a sound logical conclusion to make? I don't understand.
civver_764
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The internet is neither finite nor infinite, it's just an abstract idea. You are not just an abstract idea.
I admit I'm not very good at putting words to what I'm trying to say. All I can do is ask you questions to try and point you to what I'm talking about.
Do you at least accept that "you" is not something finite?
warpus
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How is the internet not finite? It contains a finite amount of data, hardware, subsystems, users, and.. everything. Everything about the internet is finite. Nothing about it is infinite.
No, I don't see how it could be seen as infinite in any sort of way. Everything about me is finite in scope.
You'll have to give me a specific example to convince me.
civver_764
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Name one thing about you(not your body) that is finite in scope.
warpus
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The sum of my memories.
Name one thing about me that's infinite.
Name one thing about me that's infinite.
civver_764
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You are not your memories.
You are in fact the fabric of existence itself, which cannot be defined as something finite.
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warpus
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You said "Name one thing about you that's finite"
I did.
Let's play this game this way: You name something about me that's infinite. Be specific.
civver_764
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No you didn't. Your memories are not "you", they're just something that "you" experience.
The game doesn't work that way
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What are we if not experiences? Do you believe everyone would be identical to who they are today without the experiences they've gone through up to now?
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You would need to take certain "substances" first.
civver_764
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But what is the common "fabric" of all these experiences? That's you.What are we if not experiences? Do you believe everyone would be identical to who they are today without the experiences they've gone through up to now?
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This does not answer my question. 'You' is a culmination of different things. You wouldn't be you without your memories, a finite concept.
civver_764
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Are you sure about that? Ask yourself if you're just a culmination of different things. There's something there beneath it all.
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I've asked myself and myself reported 'yes'. Psychology would not be a thing if we were divorced from the effects of memories and actions on our being.
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