Female genital mutilation

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Just came across this little piece. I never realised just how utterly despicable female genital mutilation was till now. Read on only if you have a strong stomach.

I'm quoting only selectively. I've left out the partisan or irrelevant bits.
Spoiler :

For males, circumcision is a messy but comparatively trivial operation, whereas for females, clitoridectomy is not only painful beyond belief, but is the equivalent of total castration. All of the women whom I know personally, who have undergone pharaonic circumcision and have been infibulated, say they have never recovered from it - physically or mentally - and of course, they are absolutely incapable of experiencing any sexual pleasure. On the contrary, sex is very painful for them.

Pharaonic circumcision and infibulation is regarded as the only one hundred percent effective way to safeguard a girl's virginity. Indeed, it is so effective that, for intercourse to take place after marriage, the husband or matron has to defibulate the bride with a knife to pry her open.

The ghastly screams and shrieks which have terrified so many foreign tourists at night in the vicinity of "Honeymoon" hotels in Port Sudan are emitted by brides being defibulated. A Sudanese journalist commented, "For us they seem perfectly normal, we all know that the first nights of marriage are agony."

But just what is pharaonic circumcision? I have seen it being done when I was staying as a guest in the home of wealthy Arab friends. A great feast had been prepared to which all female relatives and friends had been invited, and since I was regarded as a guest of honor, I not only had to attend, but was given a ringside seat. The miserable little victim - a beautiful child, incidentally - was grabbed by four women, who threw her upon a sort of pallet on the ground and pinioned her arms and legs. Then the gedda, or specialist, or matron, or whatever you want to call her, kneeled between the little girl's thighs and began the operation by slicing off the clitoris. All of the women present began making the most prodigious din (by ullulations), which they kept up during the whole operation in a futile effort to drown the howls and shrieks of agony of the patient. As soon as the clitoris had been excised, the matron scooped (roughly speaking) it out, then began to pull and tug to extract its roots. Blood gushed left, right and center. This was only an hors d'oeuvre - the next step consisted in shearing off the edges of the inner lips, then carving off the rim of the outer lips, from which the gedda removed a gory ribbon of flesh about 2 centimeters in width. Where the clitoris had once been was a gaping hole from which blood poured. I will spare you a few other details which I would rather not enlarge upon. Finally, the matron stitched up the raw and bleeding flesh, after which she carefully inserted a tiny hollow tube into the lower portion of the vagina, to allow for the passage of urine and menstrual blood. This, so I was subsequently informed, was to remain in place until the scar had formed. The 'operation' had lasted all of twenty minutes. Finally, the patient was bound up with cords from the hips to the knees to prevent her from making any movements which might cause the stitches to burst. For fifteen days, all girls who have been infibulated have to remain motionless, supine, and trussed up like fowls.

According to Dr, El Sayed Mirghani El Sayed, the very first African doctor to write a thesis on female circumcision, in Africa alone "fifty million or more female children are circumcised every year". In Somalia, all girls between the ages of seven and ten are forced to submit to this barbarous operation, for religious and social reasons. Most Egyptian girls, including those who attend universities, have been infibulated.

Unfortunately, no one knows how many of the little victims who have been circumcised, die - either immediately due to shock, or a little later due to the infections resulting from this prehistoric butchery. Sometimes, the patients bleed to death; hemorrages which often last for forty-eight hours are frequent occurrences, but generally they succumb to tetanus or gangrene. Whenever a death resulting from circumcision occurs, as Dr. J.G. Taoko reported, it is bruited about that the 'evil eye' was to blame, or else it is rumored that the victim herself was to blame because she had had sexual relations before the ceremony and was 'punished' for her 'crime'.

It is hardly necessary to describe what happens to all women who have been infibulated when they are on the point of giving birth. The vagina, a mass of scar tissue, is far too narrow to permit the baby to emerge. So what happens? They simply slash her open. Then, of course, later she has to be infibulated all over again. Any husband can force his wife to undergo infibulation ad nauseum. One of my unfortunate friends has been infibulated five times.


There are, now, very, very few things that can truly move me to anything. But even I was shaken and disgusted by this.

Who do I post this? Because most people don't actually know what FGM actually is. They usually think in terms of male circumcision, which they consider either normal, or just a minor thing. Whenever this topic will come up next, I'd like people to remember this.

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Yep, its a horrendous practice and fortunately it happens to be illegal in most (if not all, I've never looked too deeply into legislation around it) western countries.

That passage is slightly more graphic than I've heard it described before, of course... I've never read a personalized report like that about it before... It is a stomach kicking reminder, that you can never underestimate the human capacity for cruelty and their susceptibility to superstition.
 
Why would anyone want a woman for whom sex was an extraordinarily painful experience? It sounds very much like extreme sadism. It worries me as much as the cruelty of doing this that so many men actually like it.

Ooh, yes please, I want my wife to scream in agony when we have sex. Surely that'll make her love me and not cheat...
 
I knew this happenned but had never read such an account...

Where did you ever find such a terrible thing?
 
same, I've heard stories about how painful the process is, but this showed me what happens in graphic detail. I'll never think of it in terms of male circumcision ever again.
 
Ooh, yes please, I want my wife to scream in agony when we have sex. Surely that'll make her love me and not cheat...

Why would she cheat if it's painful?

But yeah, I agree that whoever came up with that practice was a sick, sick man.
 
Well those sickos only want a woman that would never cheat on them. Her agony doesn't concern them. Sick & sad.
 
Surely there must be less barbaric ways to keep them from having unsafe sex? ("chaste")
 
aneeshm said:
In Somalia, all girls between the ages of seven and ten are forced to submit to this barbarous operation, for religious and social reasons.

There must be incredible social pressure to get a whole culture for forsake sex in exchange for excruciating pain. This practice single-handedly blows away the "There is no good or bad, just different cultures" idea. FGM is barbaric and sick.
 
There must be incredible social pressure to get a whole culture for forsake sex in exchange for excruciating pain. This practice single-handedly blows away the "There is no good or bad, just different cultures" idea. FGM is barbaric and sick.
I don't really think you can judge an entire culture on one single disgusting practice.
 
I don't really think you can judge an entire culture on one single disgusting practice.

I wasn't judging the culture. At least, that's not what I intended. I just wanted to point out that just because this practice is part of their nation-wide cultural tradition doesn't make it right like they seem to believe.
 
I don't really think you can judge an entire culture on one single disgusting practice.

Nobody said that you could. But all our cultures have our little sicknesses, which become apparent only when we interact with other cultures. That is how we progress, after all.

I think puglover is arguing against the sort of idea of multiculturalism which would prevent that progress.
 
I wasn't judging the culture. At least, that's not what I intended. I just wanted to point out that just because this practice is part of their nation-wide cultural tradition doesn't make it right like they seem to believe.

Yeah, but the entire "There is no good or bad, just different cultures" isn't about moral relativism, but cultural relativism - it's an argument against saying that an entire culture is barbaric or without worth, rather than a particular practice is barbaric.
 
I don't really think you can judge an entire culture on one single disgusting practice.

Yes you can. Maybe one shouldn't, but one can.

And I do.
 
There's a lot of lies in the opening piece. Infibulated women can have sexual pleasure, they feel sexual pleasure, and they can even achieve orgasm. The article makes it sound as though the clitoris is the only errogenous zone a woman's body.

FGM is different in every place its done. It's funny that members here say, "Why do men like this?" But as eluded to in the above article, in some locations it is despised by men, and forwarded by women. In Djibouti, the FGM capital of the world, the men HATE the crap and they hate the typical Islamic methods of sex that are prescribed. They tell westerners, "be watchful of Somali's they don't have an antennae, get an Ethiopian." It also has a tendency to lead to dry sex. What man likes that? The men don't like it. In DJ, it's all done by the moms, and the moms sisters. And the culture of it is forwarded by women.

But even in DJ things are changing. The women don't like it, the men don't like it. And the only driving factor that keeps it going is culture. Many new families from our generation are no longer cutting their daughters.

But it really is different, and primarily it is cultural in nature, not religious. It has different significance and meaning depending on where you go. The reasons Arab's do it is different than Egyptians, is different han Afars, is different than Somali's, or the Sudanese, or in South Africa, or Ghana.

I got some really cool, albeit disturbing, anti-FGM posters, but they're probably NSFW or a younger audience.
 
WARNING:this is clean, but may offend some.

There's a lot of lies in the opening piece. Infibulated women can have sexual pleasure, they feel sexual pleasure, and they can even achieve orgasm. The article makes it sound as though the clitoris is the only errogenous zone a woman's body.

Granted, however...

Spoiler :


Vaginal penetrative sex would be an altogether unpleasant experience, the cavity opening being scared and fragile, it would be like trying to force jagged glass =/ and... I try to remain as far from crude as possible... the 'other' option is not necessarily going to be all that pleasant as the vagina is damaged and thus the... indirect pressure would not have the same effects as it otherwise would, and of course, if the clitoris has been excised theres no room for manual stimulation.

In short, if there is good sex after cleaving great chunks of the genitals off then... in fact, I struggle to concede such is possible.

Non-genital erogenous contact is a wonderful part of the meal and if it brings pleasure than fabulous... but... literally, preventing all the rest is to destroy the act...

 
...laser regenerative? Don't lasers umm... burn? Are vaginae like pine forests and need occassional scrub fires? O_O
 
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