Feminism

[Perfection]

So the policy was not always followed at sea (perhaps because most sailors are men). Doesn't really change my theory.

I'm not addressing anyone's post in particular, just thought we should ditch the rampant speculation.

 

[CaptainF]

I continue to be baffled why people only focus on the extremists when feminism is discussed. It's like bringing up Stalin and the atrocities he committed whenever someone mentions communism.

While their views may be extreme, these aren't just random, anonymous "tumblr feminists".

Alice Schwarzer is pretty much THE German feminist, and founded the feminist magazine EMMA over there, and she has been nationally recognized for her feminist activism, earning the German Cross of Merit, 1st Class, in 2005.

Valerie Solanas is widely recognized as one of the founders of radical feminism.

Andrea Dworkin was a key founder of the anti-pornography wing of the radical feminist movement, and has many influential published works on the subject.

Catharine MacKinnon is a highly respected legal scholar and one of the lead law professors at the University of Michigan.

Catherine Comins was an assistand dean of student life at Vassar, and had her opinions published in Time Magazine.

Feminists in Sweden have long held significant sway. Feminism has been integral to Swedish society for decades now. Besides wanting men to sit cross legged on trains, at least one Swedish politician also thinks it should be illegal for men to pee standing up.

Melanie McDonagh writes for both the Evening Standard and The Specator in London.

And let's not forget Eve Ensler, the other "extremist feminist" I forgot to excorciate in my first post. She is the feminist that seemingly every young American woman loves, and indeed many people I know are enthusiastic about her whole V-day activist schtick.

It's rather remarkable that Eve Ensler is hailed by many feminists as an anti-rape superhero, when she promotes the rape of young girls by adult women.

In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play.[16] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could", in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation "It was a good rape." Swope also noted the double standards involved, asking "why is rape only wrong when a man commits it, but when it's by a woman committed against another woman, who just happens to be 13-years-old, it is celebrated and a university club sponsors it?"[8]

See what I'm getting at? You are right that the views are extreme, but the people saying these things are not marginalized "extremists". These are well-connected people with a lot of influence in media and academia, who have shaped and continue to shape contemporary "feminist thought".

You people are terrible, and I am done.

Don't sell yourself short! I just know you really wanted to say that we're all a bunch of knuckle dragging, womyn oppressing, rapey raping rapists.

C'mon, get it off your chest! I'm sure you'll feel much better having done so.

...duh? That's the whole point. Where do you think the name comes from? If you think men need to fight for their rights, then do it, instead of complaining how evil feminists aren't fighting for men's rights.

This is what happens when men try to advocate for their rights. Feminists don't let them!


Link to video.

Alternatively, work with feminists whom believe patriarchy is also harming men, especially in terms of mental health stigma, victims of molestation and rape, culture of masculinity harming men in terms of making them need to conform to certain expected ideas etc.

Nah, its much easier just to cry and whine about those evil ********s

You seem to know so many, care to provide some examples? Or do you feel better crying, whining and posting snarky rubbish?

I sympathize with the sentiment. That's pretty similar to the takeaway I have regarding religion. It's exhausting to deal with the fact that large, worthy dogmas will inevitably attract crazies along with good, honest, and caring folk.

Yeah, that's what I'm suspecting about feminism. Your average "feminist" is probably a decent person who is concerned about issues facing women and wants to raise awareness, whereas your dogmatic feminist leader is more likely to be your classic misandrist.

Sort of like how a lot of your average religious followers are decent people who want to live a moral life while their leaders are the fundamentalists preaching fire and brimstone.

I should also make note to caketastydelish, that he may well act in a way complicit or furthering of women's oppression unknowingly.

I know. Maybe he's sitting on a bus with a wide stance, inadvertently raping all the womyn in his vicinity. Bad menz! Cross those legs!

Counterpoint: The Republican party. Voted for by men to interfere in the uteri of women.

You don't think there aren't a lot of reactionary women out there voting for Republicans? You don't think that in many cases women are the ones preventing women from achieving greater rights? Whenever anything bad happens to a woman, it's a man's fault?

Really?

Who needs facts when there's MISANDRY

*tips fedora* m'lady i am feeling quite euphoric at this moment

Misandry is a fact, were you unaware?

 

[Perfection]

I'm talking about subtle ways in which women's autonomy is undermined.

Please don't throw around "rape" so loosely, it's super douchebaggy.

 

[Zack]

Or do you feel better crying, whining and posting snarky rubbish?

"kettle ur black" - pot

 

[CaptainF]

C'mon Perfy, you're a smart guy, use your words!

 

[Senethro]

You don't think there aren't a lot of reactionary women out there voting for Republicans? You don't think that in many cases women are the ones preventing women from achieving greater rights? Whenever anything bad happens to a woman, it's a man's fault?

Really?

Take a moment to think about what you're doing here. You're going to bat for the Republican party with its mere 4 female senators and 20 women in congress. And the way you're going to defend their honour is to point out that some women oppress women too.

 

[CaptainF]

"kettle ur black" - pot

"I cannot counter Dawgphood001's argument" - you

 

[Perfection]

C'mon Perfy, you're a smart guy, use your words!

See edit.

 

[CaptainF]

Take a moment to think about what you're doing here. You're going to bat for the Republican party with its mere 4 female senators and 20 women in congress. And the way you're going to defend their honour is to point out that some women oppress women too.

I'm not going to defend the Republican party. Stop putting words in my mouth. in looking beyond the genders of the politicians in that party, it's pretty clear that none of them would be in power without lots of men AND women voting for them.

 

[Senethro]

I'm not going to defend the Republican party. Stop putting words in my mouth. in looking beyond the genders of the politicians in that party, it's pretty clear that none of them would be in power without lots of men AND women voting for them.

In a thread about feminism you're shifting the blame to women because some of them voted for misogynist jerks.

In a thread about feminism.

You seem to be implying that they got what they deserved. That they were asking for it, perhaps.

 

[Zack]

"I cannot counter Dawgphood001's argument" - you

You're being really petulant. The way you joke about rape so casually is pretty juvenile, not to mention that you seem to be blaming everything on women.

 

[Perfection]

I'm not going to defend the Republican party. Stop putting words in my mouth. in looking beyond the genders of the politicians in that party, it's pretty clear that none of them would be in power without lots of men AND women voting for them.

I dunno about you but I don't care for most the politicians I vote for.

Anyways why do you think there's so few female politicians in the US?

 

[Farm Boy]

Counterpoint: The Republican party. Voted for by men to interfere in the uteri of women.

Guh. There are a lot of reasons not to like the Republican Party, but this reason, simplified to this, is super inadequate on accuracy.

 

[classical_hero]

Counterpoint: The Republican party. Voted for by men to interfere in the uteri of women.

So women have the right to murder and treat their unborn children as property. The is great news to hear.

 

[Senethro]

So women have the right to murder and treat their unborn children as property. The is great news to hear.

There many women above a lay level in the organisation of whatever denomination you follow?

 

[Farm Boy]

There many women above a lay level in the organisation of whatever denomination you follow?

3/7 of the pastors I've had, if that's useful!

 

[classical_hero]

There many women above a lay level in the organisation of whatever denomination you follow?

What does that have to do with my comment? You did not answer my objection at all and many leaders of the pro-life movement are women and some are former workers of abortion mills are saw the horror that goes in those places where children where butchered under than of "choice".

 

[Gary Childress]

This is what happens when men try to advocate for their rights. Feminists don't let them!


Link to video.

Hi Dawgphood001,

According to some sources, women currently make up only 4.6% of Fortune 1000 CEOs. And apparently earn an average of 77 cents to the dollar that men earn. Seems at first glance sort of like women are unfairly treated by our society. Is that not the case? Maybe I'm wrong but the stats above seem to be pretty convincing.

 

[Narz]

Anyways why do you think there's so few female politicians in the US?

Women have less of a lust for that type of power. Men are more extreme (for better & worse) and to be in politics on the national level takes an extreme lust for power/prestige (as opposed to being a school principle or something).

This is not meant to be "objectively" true (and certainly doesn't cover all the reasons women aren't politicians, just some of them) just my opinion.

BTW, I think the fact that so few women can handle all the BS that certainly comes with being a politician is a mark for them not against them. I think the politicial system should change to accommodate more women rather than women changing to get into politics.

 

[Phrossack]

I think being an extremely wealthy CEO is generally shameful, not good. But anyway.

How exactly does the wage system pay women less than men? I'm not questioning that it does, mind. I just want to know how it does. I mean, it's not like at payday the boss says, "Here's your money, but you get less because you're a woman." And you'd think that given positions would have the same salary listed, so how do employers reduce women's paychecks?