aelf
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The mockery stems from the irony of your disdain for feminism and the idea that women are primarily the victims of sexism while trumpeting your own victimhood.
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The mockery stems from the irony of your disdain for feminism and the idea that women are primarily the victims of sexism while trumpeting your own victimhood.
Senethro
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Bro, your abusive relationship is getting in the way here. These are all ridiculous claims.
caketastydelish
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The things people on 'my side' are saying, along with telling rape jokes and other things... I think I may have to rethink my position.
civver_764
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Don't patronize me. You can't even be bothered to make real arguments.
caketastydelish
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That's advice you could keep for yourself.
civver_764
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So when women say that they are the primary victims they should be listened to and supported.
When a man says that men and women have been equally victims that is "trumpeting your own victimhood" and should be handled with mockery.
Yep. Sounds like a double standard to me.
Senethro
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Remember this post?
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/feminism.614063/page-10#post-14726303
It was a great post. Lots of likes and yet not responses. It was hardly the only one.
It takes you thirty seconds to say 8 things that are obviously untrue yet you sincerely believe, much longer to respond to a high standard, with the likelihood it will get ignored.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/feminism.614063/page-10#post-14726303
It was a great post. Lots of likes and yet not responses. It was hardly the only one.
It takes you thirty seconds to say 8 things that are obviously untrue yet you sincerely believe, much longer to respond to a high standard, with the likelihood it will get ignored.
aelf
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Nope. When you deny the first sentence in your post by arguing how you are the victim, the double standard is yours to begin with and you deserve to be called out on it.
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I think racist jokes are funny, too (Yes, including those against my own "race"). Sexist jokes as well, including those against men. They all work because of the same formula. It's just shock humor, or "I can't believe he wrote that!"-humor, some people enjoy it, others don't.
But again, what are you even on about? I already said that there's times and places to make these jokes, and there's times and places where it's a good idea to not make these jokes. Hanging around in online spaces that are made for that kind of stuff with people who enjoy it is about as far away as you can keep those jokes from people who might get triggered by them (and yeah, I'm using "triggered" in the way it's actually used in psychology, not as the slur that it has become).
If that's still not okay with you, then tough luck.
civver_764
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The idea of a man taking away the "victim spotlight" from women clearly makes you really uncomfortable. I think we all deal with this cultural training as men, to care for women more than ourselves. I wish you luck in breaking free of the sexism that binds you
What civver_764 needed was a little empathy, and it is indeed hard to come by in a place where everyone feels the need to be persistently strong. He may have negative views that are clouding his judgement right now, and that is understandable. Ideally, he would be supported by the people around him and bounce back from it - unless he is thrown into conflict after conflict through his interactions with people. This thread should no longer have been about feminism-related debate the moment he shared his story. MRA is a way for him to receive the love/understanding that you seem to be intent on denying him, so he will naturally be with them, instead of with you, even though your opinions may be right in the most sterile sense, for your own reality.
Hygro
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Why do you keep imagining a nefarious cabal as part of my posts? A patriarchy that armed women to instead of men, as Civver might assert, simply would not reproduce, because it would seed its own destruction. Ergo we can surmise that it is not matriarchy driving the drafting of men. The operating agent here is the collective patriarchy "seeking" to reproduce through generations as a meta-organism. It's some basic Darwinian logic, no design needed.
aelf
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The idea of a man taking away the "victim spotlight" from women clearly makes you really uncomfortable. I think we all deal with this cultural training as men, to care for women more than ourselves. I wish you luck in breaking free of the sexism that binds you
So your parting words acknowledge the patriarchy. Fitting.
Akka
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That's completely and utterly stupid, and I say "stupid" because the real word would give me a ban.
Senethro
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Are you sure? Why not put on your best "Theory of Mind" hat and simulate what a rapist thinks when he hears a rape joke?
Moderator Action: Enough about rape humour. Not only is it massively divisive at the best of times, this is an RD thread about feminism.
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I have already warned the thread once: the next warnings will come in private messages.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
civver_764
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While I appreciate your sentiment, and definitely find the MRA community much more compassionate and understanding than these "enlightened" liberals, I'm not here to talk about my feelings except where they help drive my point home. I'm here to challenge people's conventional beliefs, that's always been my style. I know that what I'm saying is uncomfortable for some to hear, but I stand by it.
To anybody who disagrees with me (which I'd imagine is almost all of you), I ask to you state your disagreements in a polite manner and provide actual counterarguments. Please do not try to shame me, or call me misogynistic, or make snarky circlejerk comments.
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Akka
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That's not what you described previously, you were explicitely spoke about a society purposedly subjugating women and preventing them to learn to fight so they could not rebel. Which, yeah, is about intent and design, and is also mixing up cause and effects.
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I know exactly how you feel, because I have sort of been in your shoes, except for the entire different culture/upbringing part. This matter is too personal to you, and what you are doing will end up hurting you more in the end. Your society is unforgiving to those that deviate from the common narrative - especially if people sense even a tiny hint of your association to others that they feel are bad people. What you need is empathy, warmth, and light. Go after these things. Interact with people that will not judge you. Focus on your healing. You will not be able to create change while trying to heal from your trauma. People will find your arguments unconvincing until they are no longer colored by your negative experience. For me, it has taken over 3 years to heal, research into human nature, learning to meditate, and leaving the United States to find my balance again. Only now do I possess a more accurate mental model of what exactly happened to me and why.
Hygro
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No Akka, that did not happen. There was no "explicitely" or "purposedly" describing of a society where such a plan was devised. I did allude agency to, loosely, those with The Means of Patriarchy to make the decisions of who gets drafted but that's not a secret cabal inventing patriarchy. That instead is dudes already informed by their organic patriarchy of old to keep reproducing the elements that keep their society reproducing. We wouldn't be talking about a system that isn't "smart" (in an A.I. or meta-organism sense) enough to reproduce itself in the first place, because if they ever existed, they didn't get this far.
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