Fragile Peace

[Farm Boy]

I don't watch that much TV.

But I do recognize jingoism, sometimes.

We should go with yours, I think you improved it! More relevant than the old song anyways, hehehe.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Except they do meddle in the internal politics of their victims. They are just more subtle about it.

I have yet to see any evidence of the Chinese trying to impose their views on morality, political system, economic system or anything like that on anyone.

 

[Farm Boy]

"Thought transformation."

 

[metatron]

We should go with yours, I think you improved it! More relevant than the old song anyways, hehehe.

Oh, my bad.

 

[Farm Boy]

Nah, I was piling it too high. I just like burying my swipes at other countries for the most part. It's the Midwestern passive aggressiveness. Don't even have to think about it most of the time, scary.

 

[Commodore]

I have yet to see any evidence of the Chinese trying to impose their views on morality, political system, economic system or anything like that on anyone.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

 

[PPQ_Purple]

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Actually it is. At least if you are sensibly minded. Only one who thoroughly rejects all notions of critical thought believes assertions without first being presented proof.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Except they do meddle in the internal politics of their victims. They are just more subtle about it.

By "more subtle" I take it you mean "less wantonly destructive"?

 

[Farm Boy]

Punny!

 

[Moriarte]

If by reasonable you mean utterly evil and imperialistic.

More along the lines of comparatively cheap and effective.

I would actually say no and for the same reasons you mention. With the caveat that if I had to chose between the two I'd actually rather take China as the world hegemon as they seem to be content to exploit without trying to meddle in the internal politics of their victims.

VP Pence disagrees!

https://www.ibj.com/articles/70776-vice-president-pence-accuses-china-of-meddling-in-us-politics

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There is a qualitative difference between taking actions against an imperialist superpower that has openly declared itself hostile and fomenting revolutions in developing countries so the new regime can be better exploited for resources. I'd say China has the moral high ground there.

 

[Farm Boy]

It's easier to be popular in Albania than Mexico or Canada. Always pay attention to the neighbors.

 

[Akka]

I would actually say no and for the same reasons you mention. With the caveat that if I had to chose between the two I'd actually rather take China as the world hegemon as they seem to be content to exploit without trying to meddle in the internal politics of their victims.

Yeah, well, no.
They actually meddle just as much, just more subtly, and that's with only (yet) a fraction of the US power. I'm much more wary of China hegemon than USA.

 

[Kyriakos]

China isnt known for invading countries and ruining them. That is what usa and france do with their colonies.

 

[Akka]

China isnt known for invading countries and ruining them. That is what usa and france do with their colonies.

As said, for those who have reading trouble, that's just because it hasn't yet enough power. There is already a feast of border dispute and clashes with their neighbours.

 

[Kyriakos]

As said, for those who have reading trouble, that's just because it hasn't yet enough power. There is already a feast of border dispute and clashes with their neighbours.

China has somewhat more power than France; it could also pick on weak african countries if it wanted to

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Yeah, well, no.
They actually meddle just as much, just more subtly, and that's with only (yet) a fraction of the US power. I'm much more wary of China hegemon than USA.

Again, please provide any proof you can of China forcing its views on morality, social structure, political system and way of life on other nations the way america and the EU do.

 

[Farm Boy]

Good thing nobody cares about Muslims.

 

[Farm Boy]

I presume the generalization applies to the subsets of predominate ethnicities.

 

[Akka]

China has somewhat more power than France; it could also pick on weak african countries if it wanted to

It certainly does invest a lot more money in them. Though I'm sure it's all benevolent, and it's only economical colonialism when the West does it.

Again, please provide any proof you can of China forcing its views on morality, social structure, political system and way of life on other nations the way america and the EU do.

No, I don't think China is attempting to force its views on morality or whatever. Doesn't seem to be the kind of power it is interested to become. More likely it'll use its economy to enforce its power abroad (which WILL convey its views on morality and social structure wether it's deliberate or not, BTW), and good old military when it's closer to home.

The question is more : if it becomes a hyperpower like the US in the late XXth century, will it be actually any better ? For all the evil the USA did, I don't think it's ranking especially low compared to other hegemonies in the history of the world. I have some doubt a country which is fueled by a lot of (partially deserved admitedly) revanchist attitude, an authoritarian leadership and a claimed refusal of the validity of human rights, will actually be really benevolent if it ever become unconstrained.