Friday's PAX talk (with overview)

I don't necessarily hate them, I just prefer Ethiopia and other African civs (like Kongo, Swahili, Asante, Benin, Ife) over them.
 
Also, the area that the Zulu kings ruled is only a small portion of modern day South Africa.
 
Man, so what? Zulu are a staple of the series. Shaka has a lot of fans. Remember, it's a game, have fun with it.
 
Dregor said:
Man, so what? Zulu are a staple of the series. Shaka has a lot of fans. Remember, it's a game, have fun with it.
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But thats the point... they arent fun to a lot of people. There are still some that would like them but they aren't important enough for the main game. Or an expansion. A DLC would be fine so people wouldn't have to buy them.
 
Zulu being a part of Gods and Kings is not necessary. I agree with Gucumatz that a Zulu DLC is appropriate.
 
I find the Zulu to be a bit of a Civ series cliche. I don't think they should be shunned, but they should really be DLC.

I see Austria as being the mortal enemy of the Greeks and Siamese.
 
TheKingOfBigOz said:
I don't understand, why does everybody hate Zulu so much?
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Because they had no real long lasting existence or influence. Essentially, they rose to power because of one man and fell from power because that one man led them against the British empire, where they were crushed. The only reason they are famous is because they happened to fight against the English-speaking world. Had they fought in Angola, we wouldn't know about it. But there could have been an even more important civilization there. We basically pick them because of the white people they happened to have fought not for their own achievements (which were very short-lived).

I have no problem with their eventual inclusion because I think they could be fun. But it's worth pointing out there are very good reasons not to include them.
 
As a game series, there are very good reasons to include the Zulu.

As a history lesson, there are very good reasons not to include them.

Honestly, the Zulu would be a huge selling point (no matter what people argue about their importance). If they are going to eventually make a second expansion (like past Civ games). Save the Zulu for then, to help drive sales when they've already included most of the other important civs in previous expansions/DLC.
 
cccv said:
And Ethiopia... I know this is completely unfair of me, but i can't see Ethiopia without thinking of those commercials with a solemn bearded man telling me that for just 1 dollar a day I can help a poor child with one leg who has to ride a rusty bicycle 8 miles to school with no shoes. It's just hard for me to keep in mind that they actually used to be anything but a charity case.
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This is exactly why I enjoy having civs like Ethiopia in the game. Before Civ 4, the only thing I knew about Ethiopia was the severe famines back in the 80's. Now I'm more educated about that part of the world.

Before Civ 4, I had never heard of the Khmer and before Civ 5, I had never heard of the Songhai.
 
AriochIV said:
What? Are they really claiming that Spain is a "new" civilization? That's absurd. Are you sure about that?
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No they aren't but it will be included in addition to the 9 new civs in the expansion. (Mainly due to scenarios but I suspect an addition to faith to their UA)
 
Gucumatz said:
No offense, but you do realize that picture of Ethiopia historically isnt the picture of Ethiopia?

And unlike the Zulu the Ethiopians actually won against the Europeans many times?

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Still hoping the Zulu won't be included. A DLC is fine, but they shouldn't be in the main game.
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I do realize. That's why I began with "I know this is unfair of me, but..." I know. u fortunately, when most of your life you're presented with the "for only one dollar a day" thing, it's hard to shake that.

Plus I'm a big fan of groups like Afrika Bambaataa, so that makes me want to lead the Zulu nation to victory even more. Anyway, I think i can learn to live with Ethiopia, it's Austria that bums me out the most. I know they have stuff to be proud of and all, but like I said before, Rome, Egypt, France, Babylon, Austria..... which of those do you want to play against in your civ game? Unless you're thinking of a specific scenario or are from Austria.......

Sorry about grammar if it's wrong, I'm like 6 beers in right now...

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Gucumatz said:
No they aren't but it will be included in addition to the 9 new civs in the expansion. (Mainly due to scenarios but I suspect an addition to faith to their UA)
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Still not confirmed for anything more than a scenario. REALLY wish people would stop saying they'll be a playable civ as though it's a fact. Really, you can stop that now....
 
I don't have anything against Austria being in, and the UA sounds like it's right in my pacifist wheelhouse.
 
cccv said:
Plus I'm a big fan of groups like Afrika Bambaataa, so that makes me want to lead the Zulu nation to victory even more.
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Now that's the best reason if ever I've heard one. :goodjob: - but they should have Bambaataa on his throne and get him to do the voice for Shaka!
 
cccv said:
I do realize. That's why I began with "I know this is unfair of me, but..." I know. u fortunately, when most of your life you're presented with the "for only one dollar a day" thing, it's hard to shake that.

Plus I'm a big fan of groups like Afrika Bambaataa, so that makes me want to lead the Zulu nation to victory even more. Anyway, I think i can learn to live with Ethiopia, it's Austria that bums me out the most. I know they have stuff to be proud of and all, but like I said before, Rome, Egypt, France, Babylon, Austria..... which of those do you want to play against in your civ game? Unless you're thinking of a specific scenario or are from Austria.......

Sorry about grammar if it's wrong, I'm like 6 beers in right now...
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Both Austria and Ethiopia have had serious impact on world history, maybe a little smaller than some, but they're very worthy of being added.

maybe you should go look up some history rather than listening to some commercials.
 
I am more excited than I was before, and Austria I think got screwed over in Civ 3, they included it in either Conquests of PTW, but were never actually selectable for some reason... so... I dunno..

I'm really intrested to see the new civs.

Btw, have Zulus been actually confirmed or not? It's only speculaction correct?

I really would love Poland (but we have enough Europe as of now so I can live without it) Khmer or Sioux (or any other tribe)
 
for all those who cannot see the stream: what's the UU/UA of austria und ethiopia?
 
cccv said:
Austria and Ethiopia? [rant omitted]
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I'm sorry you're arbitrarily opposed to civilizations whose historical significance isn't part of mainstream Western culture. You should e-mail Firaxis about this; maybe they'll even change China to a production based nation, and give India an outsourced tech center UB and an emigration based UA.

EDIT: Austria's UA lets them annex (?) city states through diplomacy, using Royal Marriages. Their leader will be Maria Theresa. I think that's all we know
 
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