From 30 Years In Prison To Probation

I don't think seatbelts would help much if you get t-boned by someone that's speeding

Perhaps. Perhaps not. It all depends on the circumstances and how they actually died, none of which we know.

But my point is in general. I think if you are injured or die in an auto accident when you aren't wearing a seatbelt, then you or your family should have absolutely no legal recourse against the person who hit you.
 
What are you talking about, we know exactly what the circumstances were, the dude ran a stop sign and T-boned a car with the right of way who were not wearing their seat belts.
 
Here's another weird case where I think the person got way too much prison time. And I remember reading when this case first came to trial that the occupants who died were not wearing their seat belts...

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/ca...range-dui-manslaughter-trial-opens-today.html

NEW PORT RICHEY - Laura Roberts had taken three prescription pills and drunk a number of beers before riding her bike in the dark along U.S. 19 on the night of Feb. 27, 2000, prosecutors contend. They say that chemical combination caused her to unsteadily ride into the southbound lanes of U.S. 19 in Hudson, near Puffin Lane, into the path of William Anderson and his Chevrolet Monte Carlo.

Anderson swerved sharply to avoid her, crossed the median and slammed into a northbound Nissan truck. Anderson's wife and mother were killed in the crash.

The State Attorney's Office charged Roberts, then 41, with driving under the influence with manslaughter. She had a blood alcohol level of .07, just under the legal limit of .08.


The case is set for trial Monday, attracting the attention of Court TV. Prosecutors had planned to bring Roberts to trial in spring 2002 but she skipped bail.

She was brought back to Florida after being arrested in Nassau County, New York - on a drunken driving charge.

Her case is notable not only for the odd circumstances, but because of some odd twists of DUI law.

Roberts' attorney, Fredrick Susaneck of West Palm Beach, says the Florida Highway Patrol troopers who arrived at the accident scene illegally obtained blood and urine samples from his client. Under the state's implied consent law, drivers, by getting behind the wheel, give their consent to submit to breath, blood or urine tests if they are suspected of driving under the influence.

Any driver who refuses to submit to a sobriety test can have their license suspended for 12 months, or 18 months if they have refused the test before.

The police can mandatorily test any driver involved in a collision that results in severe injury or death.

The catch in Robert's case, according to Susaneck?

Although a bicycle is defined as a vehicle under Florida law, the implied consent law applies to "motor vehicles." In a motion to suppress all evidence before Circuit Judge Michael Andrews, Susaneck argued that the troopers could not use implied consent to get the blood and urine samples from Roberts.

"As Florida law excludes bicycles from the definition of motor vehicles, the arrest of the defendant was illegal, any evidence gathered was unlawfully obtained and is fruit of the poisonous tree," he wrote in his motion.

Andrews denied the motion. During an October hearing, Andrews questioned whether the Legislature had really intended to exclude bicycles from the implied consent law.

Assistant State Attorney Debra Tuomey argued successfully that even if the implied consent law doesn't apply because Roberts was riding a bicycle, other laws allowed the troopers to take the blood and urine samples.

The U.S. Supreme Court found that defendants could have their blood drawn without their consent. And Roberts had caused a fatal accident, meeting a second standard.

But Susaneck said Andrews's ruling has already given him grounds to appeal the case, should Roberts be found guilty.

This case, more than any other biking while intoxicated, has the potential to clarify the law, defense attorneys say.

"It does seem like it's ripe for attack. A lot of times those charges get reduced," said Clearwater attorney Denis de Vlaming, former president of the Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. "I don't know of anyone who has challenged implied consent on a bike."

People being charged for biking while intoxicated is not uncommon, he added, but in 31 years of criminal defense work, he has never heard of a case similar to Roberts'.

The discrepancy in the implied consent law might be oversight on the part of the Legislature. It might not have envisioned a drunken bicyclist with the potential to kill a driver, said St. Petersburg attorney Frank Russo, who specializes in DUI and criminal cases.

"Perhaps the bicycle can't do much damage but the operation of it could jeopardize the safety of other motorists," he added.

Still, you would not bring a drunken pedestrian up on DUI - manslaughter charges if that person stumbled into traffic and caused a fatal accident, de Vlaming said.

"The only difference is the person was on a bike," he added.

J. Larry Hart, a criminal defense attorney from New Port Richey, said that according to the definition of motor vehicle used in the state statutes, the implied consent law specifically excludes bicycles.

But law enforcement officers can use other justifications for obtaining the blood and urine samples after a fatal crash.

As society's attitudes toward drunk driving have become more strict, the implied consent law has become increasingly complex. The law has seen 15 changes in 19 years, Hart said. Some are merely cosmetic alterations, but the law remains "extremely complicated."

Roberts' case, he added, "certainly raises some real questions."-Richard Raeke covers courts in west Pasco County.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/08/Pasco/Bicyclist_gets_new_ma.shtml

NEW PORT RICHEY - Laura Roberts, the bicyclist convicted in November of manslaughter by culpable negligence, will receive a new trial. Prosecutors had charged Roberts with manslaughter while driving under the influence for her role in a crash on Feb. 27, 2000, that killed two women.

Roberts had been taking prescription pills and alcohol at that time, according to prosecutors. Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge Michael Andrews sentenced Roberts to 20 years in prison.

On Tuesday, Andrews ruled Roberts deserved a new trial because of improper jury instructions. The defense argued the jury was not allowed to consider excusable homicide - essentially causing the deaths by accident. Andrews had previously denied the defense's motion for a new trial.

The judge was unavailable for comment late Wednesday.

Assistant State's Attorney Michael Halkitis, after learning of the ruling Wednesday, said Andrews made the right call. There is plenty of legal precedent that allows a jury to consider excusable homicide in such cases.

Better to correct the problem now, Halkitis said, and retry Roberts quickly than wait for an appellate court to overturn the conviction in a year. That could make it difficult to find witnesses and bring them back to court to testify, he said.

According to witnesses in the November trial, Roberts was oblivious to the traffic as she pedaled across U.S. 19, near Puffin Lane in Hudson. William Anderson, in an attempt to avoid Roberts, swerved his rented Chevrolet Monte Carlo into oncoming northbound traffic and collided with a Nissan pickup. The crash killed his mother, Virginia Anderson, and his girlfriend, Marlene Gorbich.

The jury opted to convict Roberts of two counts of manslaughter by culpable negligence instead of the more serious charge of DUI manslaughter.

Roberts had previous convictions in Florida for DUI in 1993 and attempting to purchase cocaine in 2001. She skipped bail in April 2002, delaying the case involving the Hudson crash. She was arrested in Nassau County, N.Y., for drunken driving later that year and brought back to Florida to stand trial.
 
So let's say I decide to fly an airplane (which I'm not licensed for) and kill a few people. Hey, I should get probation, right? I mean, it's not like I was in control of the airplane or anything!

Can I shoot people in the face like drunk Cheney and not spend a single day in goal then. Cause clearly shooting republican in the face is legal. :lol:
 
OK. One more. DUI Wheelchair with a happy ending. Did I mention there are a lot of rednecks where I live?

BROOKSVILLE - A Hernando judge Monday threw out the case against a 46-year-old woman accused of driving drunk while operating her wheelchair.

Judge Peyton Hyslop said the case raised numerous questions about fairness.

"While sitting at home in a wheelchair taking prescribed medication, a person could be charged and convicted of DUI," said Hyslop. "A wheelchair-bound person overindulging in alcohol at a wedding, in a restaurant, at a professional football game or in the sanctity of her own home would also be subject to arrest for DUI."

Under the same logic, Hyslop said, an abled-bodied intoxicated person sitting next to the impaired disabled person "would not be subject to such arrest, and only to arrest if disorderly."

Hyslop's ruling came on his final day as a county judge, the end of a colorful and controversial 15 years on the bench. Defeated last fall by Assistant State Attorney Don Scaglione, Hyslop was often viewed as too lenient.

But his ruling Monday made Cynthia Christensen's day.

"Hallelujah," said Christensen. "It is such a relief for me because I did not deserve that. You are allowed to have a party in our yard and have a drink, you know."

* * *

On Sept. 21, 2003, after cooking out and drinking beer with her fiance, Christensen rolled to the front yard of her home on Sealawn Drive, where her wheelchair got stuck in the fine sand.

Christensen fiddled with the joystick and, in an instant, her wheelchair hopped a 4-inch lip at the edge of her yard in Spring Hill and collided with a passing Ford minivan.

Although not seriously injured, Christensen was cited months later on the DUI charge after results of a blood test she had taken at Oak Hill Hospital showed a blood-alcohol level of 0.102 percent. State law presumes impairment at 0.08.

Christensen acknowledged having a few beers and taking her prescription medication. She suffers from degenerative disc disease, osteoarthritis and scoliosis, according to court documents.

For the next year, Christensen wheeled in and out of a cramped courtroom nine times.

DUI-wheelchair cases are rare and usually tough to prosecute.

In May 1993, a Kentucky judge ruled that a drunken man who rolled into the roadway on his motorized wheelchair to avoid a blocked sidewalk could be charged with DUI. But prosecutors acknowledged it would have been difficult to convict him. The man eventually entered a pretrial intervention program.

Five months later, a New Jersey Superior Court judge overturned a DUI conviction saying the state's drunken driving laws did not apply to wheelchairs.

In January 2004, a disabled Pennsylvania man pleaded guilty to public drunkenness and disorderly conduct after prosecutors withdrew a charge that he was driving his motorized wheelchair while drunk.

Christensen's case got a boost in August when her attorney, Louis Brunoforte, working for free, filed a motion to dismiss the charges.

The case boiled down to how both sides defined a wheelchair.

Brunoforte argued that Christensen could not be charged with DUI because the Hoveround did not meet the definition of a vehicle. The battery-operated device that travels up to 5 mph provided transportation and gave her the ability to walk, he contended.

The State Attorney's Office argued that the wheelchair met the legal definition of a vehicle. Prosecutors further argued that the wheelchair provides Christensen with transportation and does not give her the ability to walk.

In the end, Hyslop determined that allowing the definition of a vehicle to include a wheelchair would violate her constitutional rights to move freely because it would treat disabled people differently from others.

"People could have a drink if they want to," Hyslop said. "You and I don't have to do special maneuvers if we want to drink. A person in a wheelchair could never tie one back because they would always be stuck in a wheelchair."


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Hyslop's ruling was the latest in a judicial career notable for bucking prosecutors in favor of the little guy.

Hyslop long has argued, for example, that setting unreasonably high bail imposes a sentence without a trial - a contention upheld by the Florida Supreme Court in a 2000 ruling.

In October 2003, the circuit's chief judge, Victor Musleh, revoked Hyslop's authority to preside over felony first appearances.

Hyslop's view that first appearance judges are within their rights to lower bails, based on an evaluation of the case, irked circuit judges, prosecutors and law enforcement officers.

In 2000, Reader's Digest magazine named Hyslop to the worst judge list, citing criticism from law enforcement officials.


In 1999, Hyslop ruled that the eight-hour detention of DUI suspects - on top of community service and fines - constituted double jeopardy. Those rulings were later overturned by the appeals court.

Assistant State Attorney Lisa Herndon said her office has not decided whether it will appeal the ruling in Christensen's case.

Hyslop, who spent Monday hearing about 300 cases of misdemeanors and traffic offenses, will not be around to hear Christensen's other pending case.

She was charged with animal cruelty after she was accused of biting the head off a 11/2-foot python last May. Christensen denied the charge and isn't looking forward to returning to court. But Monday, she just wanted to celebrate.

"I am so happy," she said
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Ya know, a couple years ago a few people killed 100 people in Rhode Island and only got 1 year in prison. Considering the nature of what was done and what happened, not to mention where the laws stand on similar situations, the original sentence was clearly long. At this point he should get no more sentence than time served.
 
A 30 year sentence is a complete joke, not to mention a complete abuse of the whole idea of justice, and rehabilitation.
 
Ya know, a couple years ago a few people killed 100 people in Rhode Island and only got 1 year in prison. Considering the nature of what was done and what happened, not to mention where the laws stand on similar situations, the original sentence was clearly long. At this point he should get no more sentence than time served.

But they deserved to die because of their love of Great White
 
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