Future Update - Speculation Thread

[blackcatatonic]

Just curious, does anyone remember the user "AssemblingTyphoon" and his civ predictions for the third expansion pack? I recall ethiopia for sure, maybe portugal, and I believe another indigenous american civilization.

Found it in the 'All Quiet on the Civ Front' thread here. This was before GS was announced so 'two more expansions' refers to GS and a third:

I think there'll be two more expansions for Civ VI rather than just one so Maya, Byzantium, Portugal, Assyria/Babylon, a Native American Civ, Ethiopia would be very likely for Expansion 3. Mali was already in my list. Phoenicia would make Carthage unlikely.

 

[Gedemon]

There could be a "campaign for North Africa" type tactical scenario. Or a sub warfare one with emphasis on naval battle and trade routes. Not my thing, but I could see it.

Exactly, the combat mechanism are already tactical, and any scenario played on a specific theatre could use general/marechal on the field as leaders to avoid political/ethic issues.

 

[blackcatatonic]

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Good analysis. My expected selection would be (roughly in order of likelihood):
- Babylon (been in every game so far except this one!)
- Maya (another huge omission)
- Portugal (one of the last few big European powers we are still missing; I consider them more likely than Austria but wouldn't entirely rule out Austria)
- Ethiopia (we need one more African culture and this is one of the biggest we still don't have)
- Byzantium (one of the most requested regular Civs)

Those five I think would be pretty much guaranteed in a third expansion situation. That would leave three slots which I think they will try to fill with Civs we either haven't seen before or not for a while.
- Vietnam (again, we need another SEA Civ and this is the most likely. Also, it would be awesome if they could use the Trung Sisters as the first two-person 'leader')
- Sioux (I don't want to tread on any toes as I don't know anything about Native American culture or the differences between the tribes but we haven't seen them for a while)
- Italy (a girl can dream...)

ETA: I've said this elsewhere, but one of my theories about the theme of a possible third expansion is some focus on religion. A good handful of these Civs (looking at you Maya, Ethiopia, Byzantium, Italy, Portugal...) could definitely tie in very nicely with that.

 

[acluewithout]

Found it in the 'All Quiet on the Civ Front' thread here. This was before GS was announced so 'two more expansions' refers to GS and a third:

Certainly a very plausible list.

The only Civ I’m surprised isn’t on that list is Italy / Venice. But I can’t see Venice coming back as it was in Civ V as basically a OCC. FXS could only really do Venice if they also introduced some sort of Vassal mechanic.

Vietnam is also appealing. If we get an Expansion + DLCs, then it’s possible we may get slightly more than 7 Civs + Alt Leader.

 

[Backero]

I know it's very unlikely, especially as it's another european civ, but we still don't have any baltic one (a mean baltic culture, not just civs at Baltic Sea like Poland or Sweden). That's why I cross my fingers on Finland with any cool bonus to forests, tundras/snow or lakes.

If any alt leaders would be introduced it's most likely with very unique mechanic or to present the current civ in another direction and also for quite popular civs for example USA is pretty young country and though its history leaders were quite common in their beliefs, so I really don't see space for alternate leader. There are also strong vibes to go into female leaders, at best the well known. And also: Firaxis will now avoid most of modern leaders as many of them may be controversial in some countries. The civs that could receive one are:

- Egypt: current Egypt represented by Cleopatra is Ptolemean Egypt and I think there should be space for ancient Egypt as it's more iconic. I think the Ramses or Hatszepsut could be more focused on religion as the country was one of the most theocratic ones in human history.
- Germany: The history of Germany is long and I think there is a place for Friderick The Great which in fact was a Prussian leader, but still may remains as German civ (something like Sparta being alt Greece) in this game and during this period of history Prussia was very powerful empire. But I really don't see him as somebody different then military leader.
- Phoenicia: Hannibal Barca. Focused on military, maybe mountain crossing, having additional unique unit (african elephant). Carthage that time used mostly mercenary units, so it would be even cool to have an ability to create unique units of civs which are your allies.

Also it's worth to keep in mind that if we will receive a smaller DLC with Scenario + Leader/Civ pack, it's very likely to have them connected, so for example WW2 scenario could introduce country or leader who was present during WW2. The most popular options for scenario are:
- Global World War II [could introduce Italy, Finland)
- Europe World War II (or one of european fronts: western or eastern) [could introduce same as above]
- Meditarean Sea (period of Roman Republic could be even balanced in MP).
- Colonization of America (north, south, both or only Carraibean) [could introduce Portugal, Maya, Iroquois, Sioux)

 

[Deggial]

One question:
How unreasonable is it to assume, that a hypothetical third major expansion will include the two previous ones as well?

Wouldn’t this be almost a necessity to allow the following (also hypothetical) smaller DLCs and their included civs to take advantage of all previously added game mechanics? Wasn’t the lack of this prerequisite, what stopped the launch of new DLC civs after Civ5’s first expansion?

 

[AntSou]

One question:
How unreasonable is it to assume, that a hypothetical third major expansion will include the two previous ones as well?

But that's already how it works? The only thing missing would be the Civs.

 

[lockstep]

But that's already how it works? The only thing missing would be the Civs.

The civs, plus world wonders, natural wonders, and city states (and scenarios). But the game mechanics of the previous expansions would be included.

 

[Pistol90]

I dont think that there is link between this German agency age review and some content releated to Germany. They probably took German agency because they have more strict rules than others, so if you game is OK in Germany than its almost everywhere else, or they just took that German agency because its some business related decision.

I will put my final money on one mayor new mechanic, one smaller one, a lot of tweaks and 3 new civs - 1 new alternative leader. And after that same think at the end of the year.

 

[LMT]

That would leave three slots which I think they will try to fill with Civs we either haven't seen before or not for a while.
- Vietnam (again, we need another SEA Civ and this is the most likely. Also, it would be awesome if they could use the Trung Sisters as the first two-person 'leader')
- Sioux (I don't want to tread on any toes as I don't know anything about Native American culture or the differences between the tribes but we haven't seen them for a while)
- Italy (a girl can dream...)

I think Vietnam should be in. How does such a small country survive invasions/colonizations/wars from China, France, Japan, the US, and still stay intact? Some sort of turtling strategy might be appropriate.

I'd replace the Sioux with Comanche. They dominated the lower plains for a very long time.

Italy? Not sure another new European civ is needed. I'd rather see Venice (loved them).

 

[blackcatatonic]

I think Vietnam should be in. How does such a small country survive invasions/colonizations/wars from China, France, Japan, the US, and still stay intact? Some sort of turtling strategy might be appropriate.

I'd replace the Sioux with Comanche. They dominated the lower plains for a very long time.

Italy? Not sure another new European civ is needed. I'd rather see Venice (loved them).

Good shout on Comanche.

Without wanting to resurrect the overrepresentation-of-European-Civs horse so it can be beaten to death on here yet again, I'd be surprised if we got a third expansion and Portugal and Byzantium were the only European Civs. Italy has been much requested by fans for a while now. It would also provide a really nice opportunity to create a Civ that interacts with City-States in ways we haven't yet seen in Civ VI. We also know they were considering Genoa at one time for Civ VI, and there's the long-running absence of Italian City-States (now partially rectified, admittedly) which was a whole thing.

 

[Deggial]

But that's already how it works? The only thing missing would be the Civs.

Oh, is it so?
But how could I have known ... I bought all the expansions day one!

Thank you for the heads up!

(The missing civs ect. was clear, though.)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

- Sioux (I don't want to tread on any toes as I don't know anything about Native American culture or the differences between the tribes but we haven't seen them for a while)

Here's hoping that due to the long wait, means they have contacted another new tribe and got their permission for use.
There's a plethora of choices to choose from and I would rather have the Iroquois again if we were to get a returning one. The Sioux are too nomadic, in my opinion, and similar to the Cree, at least the group Poundmaker was from.

I agree with your other choices though.

 

[Kimiimaro]

- Egypt: current Egypt represented by Cleopatra is Ptolemean Egypt and I think there should be space for ancient Egypt as it's more iconic. I think the Ramses or Hatszepsut could be more focused on religion as the country was one of the most theocratic ones in human history.

Speaking of Egypt, I've been playing with the thought of not a pre-Ptolemaic alt-ruler, but a post-Ptolemaic one. To be concrete, I've had Muhammad Ali Pasha on my mind. He used the Nile as a source of wealth for Egypt, successfully using its fertility to grow expensive and exotic crops to sell to the world, from which he funded a great industrialisation of Egypt. He built a modern army and navy, and was not bad in using it, either. There were rebellions, but none were successful, and he also fought two wars against the Ottoman Empire, and in both cases, it took an European coalition to stop him, as in one case, he was about to reach Constantinople. He eventually managed to force the Ottomans to grant him hereditary authority over Egypt.

Edit: And since El Helwa Di, Egypt's theme, is an Egyptian Arabic song, it would even be somewhat fitting theme for him/his version of Egypt.

 

[Neirai]

I feel that Ptolemaic Egypt was used in order to ensure that Nubia didn't feel redundant.
This assumes that they plan civs that far ahead.
If this assumption is true, you could look for other line-up anomalies (*stares at Catherine*) and maybe divine other future leaders?

Edit: Nubia was released as one of the early DLC so perhaps they don't plan civs THAT far ahead. But it's still a thought.

 

[VermelhoRed]

Hoping for Vietnam, Nepal, Ethiopia, some hispanophone Latin American country (Cuba would be the best imo), some Pacific Northwest culture, Hittites (let Babylon rest this generation), Gauls...

 

[Gedemon]

This is the first day in many weeks that i checked in when the day was almost over (monday). Normally i cant resist the temptation to peek.
But then i thought for a moment a real dlc has reached us with zoomzoom without checking twitter. Almost hyped.
Firaxis might be officially trolling us. Next dlc depot will be dontblink, hurryup or soonTM. Refresh rate would be high on civfanatics.

We'll have to scale up the server now.

If they don't name the 4th one "SoonTM" I will be deeply disappointing. The fact that none of them have been named that so far is already annoying xD

Are you happy ?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Are you happy ?

Watch out Eagle, I'm coming for your gig!

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Quarterly releases of whatever they are now looks more likely.

 

[josgre987]

New DLC just added: SoonTM

This is killing me.