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Game of thrones: Final Season: Winter finally arrives....

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Birdjaguar, Feb 7, 2019.

  1. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    So basically we're still right back at the "if she's bad in a way, she's bad in any way", and so if she's megalomaniac by believing herself a savior, she can also be a blind mass murderer, because hey both are related to madness.
    I've already said what I think about contrived post-event rationalization and how the flaws she was shown were about ruthlessness, not sudden razing of cities. I don't really see what I can do save repeat "I disagree" when you repeat the same arguments too.

    As for the latest episode, still haven't seen it, and I just don't really care at this point, though I expect it to be better than the last three calamitous ones (the groundwork of breaking with established character and thematic style is already done, so I guess it will at least have some sort of consistency with the new style).
     
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  2. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    It was pretty meh, I felt. It did provide more depth to previous episodes, addressing what happened and giving us the characters' thoughts about them, which helps improve things overall. Nothing much happened in this episode itself, though, and the fates of the different characters weren't very interesting. Some were lazy (Arya), some didn't make much sense (Bran, Bron), the rest were pretty much what you'd expect by this point in the show. But those could probably be blamed on Martin himself.

    This is the best explanation of what happened to the show, and I fully agree with it:

    It'll probably be thought of as intellectual elitism by some who read it, but that actually helps it. Those who've had enough of experts end up doing things like voting for Trump or Brexit.
     
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  3. Kaitzilla

    Kaitzilla Lord Croissant

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    Everyone laughing at Sam's democracy idea was great.
    Spoiler :

    I want that dragon to force a red woman / lord of light to bring Dany back to life.
     
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  4. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Did you notice that as Jon and his troop left the wall, there was a quick shot of the ground and a bright green sprig growing from the snow: a dream of spring for the north?
     
  5. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    Just think of it as him being executed by Butterfly Fever. That is a more brutal death than he inflicted on others.
     
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  6. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Yes, the whole "going to Naath" thing was pretty entertaining.
     
  7. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    So there you have it. This is the last of the 8 threads, the first of which were (iirc) all started by Winner, then i started (i think) three, and the final was by Birdjaguar.
    8(9) wasted years and a few thousand posts; but still only a drop in the ocean of wasted time on CFC ^_^
     
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  8. Kaitzilla

    Kaitzilla Lord Croissant

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    Wait, the Unsullied are all going to die from butterfly ebola because nobody knew about it before sailing there?
     
  9. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    So it seems. Perhaps they have led a too sheltered life, besides we know death is an integral part of GRRM's world.
     
  10. Kaitzilla

    Kaitzilla Lord Croissant

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    I do not know why people are so fascinated by medieval times.

    People just acted more like people back then I guess. (tribal)

    And those people are more interesting to watch eating their dirt sandwich than our 21st century people signing petitions about our favorite TV shows.
     
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  11. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian Temporary Pattern...reassembling...

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    I really liked the last episode.
    Actually, I loved it.
    I don't really like how we got here. A lot of misplaced priorities. Some things were rushed and there was some padding.
    I do like that we got here.
    An almost perfect ending (except for Bronn) that required a bit more buildup.
     
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  12. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    I prefer to think that almost everyone knew, except the Unsullied themselves, and decided that keeping quiet was the best way to rid themselves of a troublesome army.
     
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  13. civvver

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    Yes it was hard not to notice it. I think because the night king was defeated that cycle of long winters might be broken or something. Not sure.

    I thought it was strange when Tyrion offered the unsullied the reach to start their own house. Since they can't have children. What is it like a one generation house? Kinda weird.

    This episode just seemed like if you took game of thrones and put it in a movie trilogy. Kind of like how quickly Kylo Ren and Rey turn on Snoke in Last Jedi. It's a quick arc like that, this episode of Dany turning into a righteous tyrannical killer and Jon turning on her all in the space of 20 minutes. I had no issues with what happened but it was poorly developed.

    We basically have Arya saying she's a killer and I know killers, then Tyrion saying man Vary's was right all along! And then Dany says all that prisoner killing was necessary to build the world we want and Jon says but what about those who disagree and she says they don't get to choose. It's her exact same message the whole time, only this time it's different cus she burned a whole city. I just don't get how that was enough to change Jon's mind so suddenly.

    Also in the end the huge reveal that Jon was a targaryan didn't seem to matter one bit. It somewhat prompted Varys to betray her and set her off, but Dany never turned on Jon really. She wanted him by her side. Then he offs her, and now his birthright doesn't even matter.
     
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  14. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I don't think you're really making an effort to engage with what I've said.
     
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    That's one take. Mine was more, every time Jon had to say "she's my queen" there seemed to be a little less confidence in his voice and then it seemed more like a question and not a statement, So I didn't see it as sudden at all. He was just finally convinced. But yet a few more episodes would have been better but they just weren't going to happen.
     
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  16. Lexicus

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    Why not more episodes? Is the revenue stream from this thing not proportional to the number of episodes?
     
  17. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Entangled Retired Moderator Supporter

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    HBO will lose my future subscription at the next billing cycle. I only signed on while GOT was actually running.
     
  18. Akka

    Akka Moody old mage.

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    Well, I told you why I disagree with your argument. Seems that you just don't want any answer but "I agree". I'm afraid I can't help with that.
     
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    rah Warlord Supporter

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    HBO wanted more episodes.
    D&D said no. HBO figured it was not prudent to get new guys for just a few more episodes so went along with their demand to shorten it so they could move on to their star wars project. Assuming what I heard was accurate.
     
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  20. Lexicus

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    Weird
     
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