Gauntlet Suggestions

[Noble Zarkon]

Or would diplo be too 'long' for a G-Minor? The top game may be asking a bit much (1220AD), but not impossible either.

Diplo is OK especially on Small / Normal.

 

[Sun Tzu Wu]

I'll always be interested in playing an Espionage Assisted Cultural Victory aka Espionage Victory as a Gaunlet, especially if it's Deity level.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Somewhat randomly looking through some categories with the ad hoc query, how about:

Immortal, Diplomatic, Normal speed, Small.

There are only 5 entries, and the most recent is four years ago (and only two of them are actually with 3.19). Or would diplo be too 'long' for a G-Minor? The top game may be asking a bit much (1220AD), but not impossible either.

The other good thing is this is an Inca game to target

 

[Noble Zarkon]

PHI or FIN (Spi nice too) paired with an early UU would make way for the fastest time imo.

Don't see any PHI with a decent early UU so I've gone for Darius(*), good economy with an excellent UU.

Edit: Actually I've allowed either of the Persian leaders.

 

[kovacsflo]

Even the latest comment was about a month ago, so sad to see CIV4 community dying. I am still playing CIV4 even though I have CIV5 and CIV6 - non of them are the real thing. But I would love to see competitions again in civ4 hof. Gauntlets are all so boring, I beg for a non-marathon deity major on a bigger map for more than 3 years now - that's a long time.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

so sad to see CIV4 community dying

I think that's a huge exaggeration, despite the game being over 10 years old it still has a lively community with the recent Challenge being enthisiastically welcomed. Submissions are still at a good rate for the Civ IV HOF despite the game's maturity.

I beg for a non-marathon deity major on a bigger map for more than 3 years now - that's a long time.

That's a very particular set of requirements and I'm not convinced it would be very popular, there is a non-marathon Deity game as part of our latest Challenge.

 

[elitetroops]

That's a very particular set of requirements and I'm not convinced it would be very popular

There has been several gauntlets recently with no submissions. I don't see how doing a gauntlet based on a request from an active player could do much worse...

 

[Fippy]

Yep NZ, the HoF team should set this up as requests are rare.

Epic speed can be played on all kinds of maps, it's not like marathon would be needed for big ones.
Disagree that it's a very particular set of requirements, actually it's nothing special.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

There has been several gauntlets recently with no submissions. I don't see how doing a gauntlet based on a request from an active player could do much worse...

Yep NZ, the HoF team should set this up as requests are rare.

Thanks guys - good perspective. Any particular suggestions?

 

[kovacsflo]

Yea, actually I didn't even state that it has to be epic, all I wrote that it should be a non-marathon game and it should be a big map like huge or large. There was a gauntlet nearly being released on rainforest map with Darius about 1 or 2 years ago, I think it was a space race game but I can't remember the game speed (it wasn't marathon, though). Anyway, that has been canceled in the very last moment before the competition could have been started.

I still think it would be a fun game as rainforest requires a unique strategy as you have more than plenty food but just a limited hammers, and both health and luxury resources are limited too. Well, you have dozens of pigs, rice, and later on bananas, but that's it, anything else are rarities, if you are lucky enough, you can find some other animals and grains to improve your health bar, but it is nearly impossible to get any seafood outhere.

So, I would love to play that gauntlet this time for real!

 

[kovacsflo]

I've played civ4 since release (well a few years off now and then) doing my own stuff without filing a single game. Recently looked into the organized games beginning with the current Challenge. Might go for the Gauntlets too at some point.

I have noticed that you are active on the 'Challenge' games which I haven't heard about until now, but I will check what it is about. I have played CIV4 since release too, I have tried other games, but I always get back to the good old CIV4 - I just can't help it. CIV5 was nearly unplayable, and CIV6 was just too repetitive for me.

 

[WastinTime]

I find it hard to resist a Huge, Deity gauntlet, and Kaitzilla usually shows up for anything like that. It has the added attraction of giving a very high gauntlet-QM score (especially with raging barbs) which may be kovacsflo's hidden agenda
(note: I'm not suggesting raging be required, but it's each player's option)

 

[elitetroops]

While on the subject of possible future gauntlets, I noticed the other day that in the entire history of HoF, nobody has ever submitted an ancient start quick domination or conquest game on huge map, immortal or deity. On Emperor there is exactly one submission, 1940AD domination by Fractal Spiral. I think it should be completely doable on immortal at least. Most likely it would drag out into the modern ages, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Modern warfare in a Gauntlet would at least be something different than we usually get. Since there are no previous ancient era submission, the winner is guaranteed full EQM score, regardless of victory date. If you one day do this, then please something other than pangaea. Huge/quick/imm/conquest on Medium and Small could be one option. I believe on huge it is very unlikely you'd get a land bridge between the continents, so probably not worth pursuing. Probably any civ would be best. It would be a tough game for sure, but also an opportunity to be the first ever to achieve something at this level.

But please, do the requested deity gauntlet first. I'm in no hurry to take on a huge/quick/conquest game right now. Unless of course the deity beasts want to fight for the first ancient/huge/quick/deity/domination or conquest win, in which case I'll happily lurk in the shadows and learn from the pros.

 

[kovacsflo]

I find it hard to resist a Huge, Deity gauntlet, and Kaitzilla usually shows up for anything like that. )

It would be good to discuss strategies again, I am wondering how Seraiel is doing nowadays. Maybe he would turn up as well.

It has the added attraction of giving a very high gauntlet-QM score (especially with raging barbs) which may be kovacsflo's hidden agenda
(note: I'm not suggesting raging be required, but it's each player's option)

It's not a secret anymore At least I can say that I have some other reasons as well.

I think if raging barbs are optional, you will have to unlock it to come up with a competitive submission on a huge/deity game anyway.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

What about Deity / Epic / Large / Rainforest / Score / Any Leader? This record is held by the Incas with a Domination victory in 335 AD and a score of 663,695, potentially we could eliminate two Incan records as they hold both Score and Domination records!

What settings should we make mandatory and should we specify the opponents?

 

[WastinTime]

I hope you're talking about a 2-3 month gauntlet

 

[Noble Zarkon]

I hope you're talking about a 2-3 month gauntlet

Definitely.

 

[kovacsflo]

What about Deity / Epic / Large / Rainforest / Score / Any Leader? This record is held by the Incas with a Domination victory in 335 AD and a score of 663,695, potentially we could eliminate two Incan records as they hold both Score and Domination records!

What settings should we make mandatory and should we specify the opponents?

A score victory? Hmm, that sounds a very time consuming game as there are hundreds of rice available - Sid sushi or Cereal mills would be mandatory to guarantee like 50 cities with a population of 50 or something.

I don't normally do score games, but for me it sounds that you need to spend like 15 hours just to get things ready and then grow your cities to enormous sizes - plus conquering some civilizations, but keeping the domination levels.

I am wondering what other players think about it who have done this before - Wastintime, what do you think about it, regarding to the strategy and time investment?

If CIVs are optional, then I would choose Pacal as the +2 health is essential from the very beginning of the game on a Rainforest map. Also, while I agree that both domination and score records could be eliminated with one submission, for a competitive score result you should definitely make it much longer, so probably NobleZarkon could keep the domination result anyway.

One more thing: raging barbs AND classical start would give a twist to the gauntlet as each player should train a lot of archers/axemen to defend his empire, and they couldn't just build The great wall. However, once surviving the rage, you could easily conquer dozens of barbarian cities.

 

[WastinTime]

The last 'monster' game was score and space was before that. Seems like we're not quite due for score again, but it's not my call.

Time investment is much greater than 15 hours to 'get things ready' -- at least for me. It will be tedious, but maybe not as much as water maps are--with all the galley transfers. The workers on the jungle will be the most annoying. 50 cities would not be too painful, but I'm sure you'll need 100+

Yea, to compete for highest score, you'd play way past 335 AD, but maybe someone will submit a game with that goal and not worry about ranking in the gauntlet.

Sushi probably can't compete with cereal on rainforest. Cereal has better conversion ratio .37 vs .56 (and a couple more resources).

We learned in G-Major 100 that with raging, classical is the way to go. It was "Era : any" Very surprising ancient wasn't the fastest.

 

[WastinTime]

cities with a population of 50 or something.

I just looked at a test map and cereal is only around 50 resources (25-30 food). Not too inspiring.