Gay book ban

[Mise]

Europe has 1.5 times the people in the U.S.

that too!

 

[Taliesin]

Whenever you have all the answers you can dismiss religion, but until then, it is as good a source as any for moral guidance.

Indeed, without an arbiter of Morality(God) their can be no morality at all, as this is left to the individual to decide. Morals form the backbone of civilization, they are even more important than laws. One of the institutions holding civilization toghether is the family, and you want to destroy that.

Back for another round, are you? I thought the last mention of ridiculous Biblical edicts had convinced you. If not, I guess it's time for round three.
What's clear is that things aren't moral just because they're in the Bible. Then what determines what's moral? It was shown beyond a doubt in that thread (Does morality require religious beliefs?) that morality can't simply be "What God loves". I'm interested to hear what you base morality on. i.e., if God is the thing without which there cannot be morality, what is morality?
Last time I checked, plenty of peoples had morals before the Reformation, or indeed before Jesus lived.

 

[Hotpoint]

The reason the Homicide rate is higher is because the US has a larger population than Europe does. Europe's is shrinking, America's is growing. It has nothing to do with whether or not people are religious or not.
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Homocide rate per capita

US 0.04 per 1000 people
UK 0.01 per 1000 people


And by the way...

Population
USA - 290 Million
EU- 456 Million

You just don't like me, or people like me, because our views are diametrically opposed to your own, and therefore want to lump all the world's problems on us. I can't say I'm any different in that regard, I'll be honest. It really depends on your worldview.

I disagree with your views but that doesn't mean I dislike you as a person. I'm an atheist but my Girlfriend is a believer and that doesn't bother me at all.

As for lumping all the worlds problem on you that's simply not the case.

 

[IglooDame]

Secular "Morals" get looser and more permissive every decade. Soon enough murder will be seen as an exceptable form of population control. Murder will just be viewed as a late-term abortion. And reality TV will be a true life or death situation.

Let's be careful here. Religious "Morals" get looser and more permissive every decade, as well. Divorce, eating meat on Friday, attending church, working on the Sabbath, and I'm sure other people here can think of others. And if you claim that religious "Morals" are not getting more permissive, it is just adherence to them that is, I will claim the same for secular "Morals."

 

[Toasty]

I hate Alabama.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Because the foundations of the Bible(Genisis) have been undermined by Evolution. This has led to a compromising church. Since the first verse of the Bible isn't believed by them, the rest of it isn't either. As a result, its no surprise their morals are eroding. They may believe in God, but they do not know him.

 

[Tomoyo]

They may believe in God, but they do not know him.

Who "knows" God anyway?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I do. Anyone who truely repents and gives their lives and souls to Christ does as well. True Christianity isn't a religion, its a relationship. If only everyone could know Christ. To know him is to know true joy

 

[Tomoyo]

It is impossible for something to be, as we are all blinded by perception. Therefore, you only think you know God.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

You know God if you speak with him. I have heard his voice. I have felt his pressence, it is the most powerful thing I have ever experienced. He wants you all to know him as well.

 

[Speedo]

I hate to rain on the parade, since I know y'all are having so much fun screaming about the stupid ignorant bigots, but this is just one more stupid proposal for a law which has no chance of passing. No chance. Not even in Alabama.

 

[Sims2789]

MONTGOMERY - An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries...

So now we can't study the way people lived in ancient Greece or Rome because their cultures had homosexuality?

 

[Sims2789]

I hate Alabama.

1) Not all of them are nuts.
2) It is not their fault. People have no control over what enviroment they are raised in. The enviroment one is raised in controls how one develops as a person, what one believe in, and how hard one works. Thus one is only successful in society if they get lucky enough to have an enviroment to allow that success. Some say that everyone had a chance, but that poor people just blew it. They only blew it and made the wrong decesions because of the enviroment they were raised in. This is somewhat unrelated but it also applies to how Alabamans generally think and why they came to think that way.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The same can be said of anyone, even you or I Sims. You don't have to agree with them, but at least respect them, and don't mock them because they have views much different than your own.

 

[Sims2789]

^Good point. I shouldn't. But I'm not perfect.

 

[Johann MacLeod]

Because the foundations of the Bible(Genisis) have been undermined by Evolution. This has led to a compromising church. Since the first verse of the Bible isn't believed by them, the rest of it isn't either. As a result, its no surprise their morals are eroding. They may believe in God, but they do not know him.

or perhaps god doesnt know you? unless hes come down and spoken to you personally you wouldnt know. and i was under the misinterpterted impression that gods will invovled tolerence and love and compassion, not hate malice or bigotry. and if god made homosexuals that way, why would he make people a certin way and then condemn them? you can only intepret god and the bible, making anyones opinions on it techinacally right. thats just my two cents, since i dont post much anymore

 

[Goober]

Wow, this Allen guy is in deep denial.

"America, Land of the Free". Hah! Land of the Sexually Oppressed more like it.

But I cannot really comment on this, I live in a totally different country, a far more Liberal one, and one that actually has seperation of Church and State. Commenting on what other nations do if you are not in that nation is hypocritical. But widely practised. Thank God I am a Canadian, and still have Sexual Freedoms, eh?

Another thing is that the Bible is fairly open to translation between Ancient Greek to Hebrew to English. For example, the bit about Homosexuality is translated as being anything from "Homosexuality is a deviant abonimational sin" to "homosexuality is fine, so long as its not done in the bed of one of the partner's wifes".

It all rests on translation, translation, translation, and what words get lost in Translation.

 

[Hotpoint]

Because the foundations of the Bible(Genisis) have been undermined by Evolution. This has led to a compromising church. Since the first verse of the Bible isn't believed by them, the rest of it isn't either. As a result, its no surprise their morals are eroding. They may believe in God, but they do not know him.

Christianity was already seeing its hold on society weaken long before Charles Darwin entered the arena. The rediscovery of Classical thought during the Rennaisance and the development of liberal secular thought during the Enlightenment had already made a considerable impact.

Look at the number of Deists and even outright Agnostics and Atheists among the founding fathers of your own nation.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Nah, I know better than that.

 

[Taliesin]

Than what, exactly? Winner's post, if that's what you mean, was 100% correct. Your country was founded by Deists, not Christians, for the most part.