General Politics IV - Without a Home Elsewhere

[Birdjaguar]

Then someone should ban Bible sales on the same grounds.

 

[Ordnael]

Funny how an anti-porn lobby is bad for the freedom of art but when it's about forced DEI and LGTVHD+ wokeness it's okay.
Both are wrong and I pity none of the people pissed of at this choke-hold on freedom...some of that people cheered when they came for the male gaze audience or lovers of original source material like the witcher, lord of the rings and so on

 

[Samson]

Lethal Cambodia-Thailand border clash linked to cyber-scam slave camps

Thai and Cambodian tensions relating to issues including cybersecurity concerns boiled over into a kinetic skirmish at the border last week.

The conflict started largely as an extension of a decades-old dispute over access to an ancient Hindu temple located a couple of hundred meters on the Cambodian side of the border.

Tensions at the temple were already high. In May, Thai and Cambodian troops exchanged fire across the border near the site. One Cambodian soldier died as a result.

Thailand's retaliation included a threat to cut off electricity and internet services to Cambodia, ostensibly to make life hard for the cyber-slave camps in the country – some of which are not far from the temple.

That Cambodia hosts slave camps is not in dispute. As documented by Interpol, criminals advertise well-paid jobs in Asia, and those who travel to take them up are often enslaved in camps and forced to spend their days running romance and investment scams. The United Nations thinks over 100,000 people may toil in such camps, which human rights group Amnesty International describes as "hellish scamming compounds" that operate "with the apparent consent of the Cambodian government."

The US agrees with that assessment and last year sanctioned a Cambodian senator for his role in human rights abuses at scam camps.

Thailand has tried to crack down on the camps, and repatriate victims who work there. China has helped those efforts because the scam camps often target citizens of the Middle Kingdom or are run by Chinese crime gangs.

Thailand's threat to cut off internet access and electricity therefore aligned with its wider foreign policy to disrupt the camps.

Analysts feel that action also helped to increase tensions.

"While not a direct trigger, Thailand's parallel efforts to counter transnational cyber-scam activities operating near the border may have contributed to the broader strategic environment in which this conflict escalated," according to Angela Suriyasenee, a researcher at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) think tank. "These efforts may have contributed to a broader climate of mistrust and friction between the two governments."

Cambodia's opposition leader in exile, Sam Rainsy, has accused Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen of profiting from the camps.

 

[Senethro]

Funny how an anti-porn lobby is bad for the freedom of art but when it's about forced DEI and LGTVHD+ wokeness it's okay.

Why do you think these are the same thing?

 

[Ordnael]

Why do you think these are the same thing?

Why not?

 

[Senethro]

Why not?

Ok I'm not going on a fishing expedition. If you want to express yourself please do so, and you did seem like you were trying to communicate something, but I'm not going to force you.

 

[danjuno]

Funny how an anti-porn lobby is bad for the freedom of art but when it's about forced DEI and LGTVHD+ wokeness it's okay.
Both are wrong and I pity none of the people pissed of at this choke-hold on freedom...some of that people cheered when they came for the male gaze audience or lovers of original source material like the witcher, lord of the rings and so on

Give me a break. The online culture wars have poisoned you to IRL policy. And I say this as someone who used to be an Anti-SJW. The actively lobbying for porn bans has always been a Religious Right thing. Feminist critique of certain pieces of media is not the same thing. The founder of Collective Shout is literally an anti-abortion, anti-LGBT wingnut.

 

[Ordnael]

Feminist critique of certain pieces of media is not the same thing.

It isn't just the ugly feminists critiquing media, I do not forget the inclusiveness activists that sacrifice ginger women from the source material for blacks or straight people for rainbow or beautiful women for ugliness in whatever flavour of the month gender.
If you crave for media like this, than you create it, don't go twisting IP that others enjoy! Don't force body types on games, don't go after the male gaze, don't make Alucard gay, don't make Fringilla Vigo black!

 

[Senethro]

It isn't just the ugly feminists critiquing media, I do not forget the inclusiveness activists that sacrifice ginger women from the source material for blacks or straight people for rainbow or beautiful women for ugliness in whatever flavour of the month gender.
If you crave for media like this, than you create it, don't go twisting IP that others enjoy! Don't force body types on games, don't go after the male gaze, don't make Alucard gay, don't make Fringilla Vigo black!

Why does it upset you? Noones being hurt by it.

 

[amadeus]

kinetic skirmish

This almost sounds like a euphemism.

 

[Ordnael]

Why does it upset you? Noones being hurt by it.

Are you fishing to get me banned or you have poor reading skills? The quote you used pretty much answers why!

 

[Akka]

The actively lobbying for porn bans has always been a Religious Right thing. Feminist critique of certain pieces of media is not the same thing.

How exactly isn't it the exact same process ?
In both case, it's about trying to enforce your ideology by censoring whatever you don't like.

 

[danjuno]

It isn't just the ugly feminists critiquing media,

Hoo boy

I do not forget the inclusiveness activists that sacrifice ginger women from the source material for blacks or straight people for rainbow or beautiful women for ugliness in whatever flavour of the month gender.
If you crave for media like this, than you create it, don't go twisting IP that others enjoy! Don't force body types on games, don't go after the male gaze, don't make Alucard gay, don't make Fringilla Vigo black!

How exactly isn't it the exact same process ?
In both case, it's about trying to enforce your ideology by censoring whatever you don't like.

You've got to be kidding me. Critique isn't censorship. If you can't tell the difference between some feminist video essayist say "X is bad because Y" and Megacorporations saying "delete X or we will destroy your livelihood", that is a you problem.

 

[Ordnael]

Huh...Those "video essayists" pretty much did the "delete X or we will destroy your livelihood" number and other variations of it on artists, film-makers, game developers and so on. You can choose to keep pretending that never happened though!

 

[amadeus]

If we are concerned about “woke” culture and “cancel” movements, it’s not the activists that we should be the most upset at, it’s companies and so on that acquiesce to what the majority of Americans think are unreasonable demands.

I say call them up, or write a letter—and be polite! Nobody wants to listen to a raving lunatic. Well, some people do, which is why they have cable news. But remember: you’re not getting paid for it.

edit: removed the first part because I was in the wrong thread :/

 

[danjuno]

Huh...Those "video essayists" pretty much did the "delete X or we will destroy your livelihood" number and other variations of it on artists, film-makers, game developers and so on. You can choose to keep pretending that never happened though!

If only random internet feminists had the power IRL they do in your imaginary Lalaland...

 

[Ordnael]

Alone they don't...together with other professional, very vocal, activists that infest the media, they do!
Anyway my Lalaland is better then yours
You may also choose to ignore, forget or believe of Sweet baby Inc intrusions as positive to the art...I don't. It's good that Stellar Blade developers told them to bite the curb...whether the whole debacle might have been more smoke than fire or not, the result of it was very positive imho.
Also...last edit I promise
Funny how random internet feminists have the power to "crush" queer+ people/movements but when it's "demanding" to end male gaze it's "just a hoax bro"!

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Lethal Cambodia-Thailand border clash linked to cyber-scam slave camps

Thai and Cambodian tensions relating to issues including cybersecurity concerns boiled over into a kinetic skirmish at the border last week.

The conflict started largely as an extension of a decades-old dispute over access to an ancient Hindu temple located a couple of hundred meters on the Cambodian side of the border.

Tensions at the temple were already high. In May, Thai and Cambodian troops exchanged fire across the border near the site. One Cambodian soldier died as a result.

Thailand's retaliation included a threat to cut off electricity and internet services to Cambodia, ostensibly to make life hard for the cyber-slave camps in the country – some of which are not far from the temple.

That Cambodia hosts slave camps is not in dispute. As documented by Interpol, criminals advertise well-paid jobs in Asia, and those who travel to take them up are often enslaved in camps and forced to spend their days running romance and investment scams. The United Nations thinks over 100,000 people may toil in such camps, which human rights group Amnesty International describes as "hellish scamming compounds" that operate "with the apparent consent of the Cambodian government."

The US agrees with that assessment and last year sanctioned a Cambodian senator for his role in human rights abuses at scam camps.

Thailand has tried to crack down on the camps, and repatriate victims who work there. China has helped those efforts because the scam camps often target citizens of the Middle Kingdom or are run by Chinese crime gangs.

Thailand's threat to cut off internet access and electricity therefore aligned with its wider foreign policy to disrupt the camps.

Analysts feel that action also helped to increase tensions.

"While not a direct trigger, Thailand's parallel efforts to counter transnational cyber-scam activities operating near the border may have contributed to the broader strategic environment in which this conflict escalated," according to Angela Suriyasenee, a researcher at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) think tank. "These efforts may have contributed to a broader climate of mistrust and friction between the two governments."

Cambodia's opposition leader in exile, Sam Rainsy, has accused Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen of profiting from the camps.

Maybe I'm being insensitive, but imagine if a generation ago you were told that people were being punished by having to use a computer instead of break rocks or something. Really? This is what the overseers came up with? But I guess such is the world as it is today...
Maybe they'll make a movie about it one day: I am a Fugitive from an Internet Scam.

 

[Akka]

You've got to be kidding me. Critique isn't censorship. If you can't tell the difference between some feminist video essayist say "X is bad because Y" and Megacorporations saying "delete X or we will destroy your livelihood", that is a you problem.

Of course, critique isn't censorship. Trying to cancel people and to force one's ideology through media, though, is certainly an attempt at censorship, and that's certainly something we saw a lot.

 

[danjuno]

Alone they don't...together with other professional, very vocal, activists that infest the media, they do!

Funny how random internet feminists have the power to "crush" queer+ people/movements but when it's "demanding" to end male gaze it's "just a hoax bro"!

The leader of Collective Shout calls herself a "feminist" but is anti-abortion and anti-LGBT. She can call herself what she wants, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a religious right duck.

Of course, critique isn't censorship. Trying to cancel people and to force one's ideology through media, though, is certainly an attempt at censorship, and that's certainly something we saw a lot.

A right-wing special interest group (regardless of what they pretend to be) encouraging multibillion-dollar corporations to extort platforms into censorship is a cut above the usual twitter drama.