[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Crezth]

Back in the day we had a solution for out-of-work Nazis...

 

[Rashiminos]

Institutional racism requires... sponsors.

There's a good chance that a discussion about institutional capture should involve a long march to another thread.

Back in the day we had a solution for out-of-work Nazis...

Supposing that solution doesn't work. Is there another solution to try, and another one after that...

 

[Zardnaar]

Back in the day we had a solution for out-of-work Nazis...

South America? Have NASA hire them?

 

[gay_Aleks]

Putting them in charge of West Germany and NATO high command?

 

[Crezth]

Supposing that solution doesn't work. Is there another solution to try, and another one after that...

I'm talking exile, of course. So long, murderous pigs!

 

[Rashiminos]

I'm talking exile, of course. So long, murderous pigs!

You do have a bone to pick with the UN!

As well as an implicit understanding of the purpose of borders and deportation.

 

[gay_Aleks]

You're the current hegemonic power - for the time being - I'm sure it'll be just fine. Maybe they can be deported in Sahara, make their own Liberia, I don't know.

 

[Zardnaar]

You're the current hegemonic power - for the time being - I'm sure it'll be just fine. Maybe they can be deported in Sahara, make their own Liberia, I don't know.

Well they claim to be superior to blacks.

You can dump them in the Sahara and they can prove they are better in Africa than the Africans.

 

[Rashiminos]

You're the current hegemonic power - for the time being - I'm sure it'll be just fine. Maybe they can be deported in Sahara, make their own Liberia, I don't know.

The betting markets for when the US will lose hegemony haven't really been fleshed out it. Just vague years and doomsaying right now.

 

[gay_Aleks]

No empire lasts forever, hence the "for the time being" comment, it wasn't really an attempt to make a prediction or whatever.

 

[Crezth]

You do have a bone to pick with the UN!

As well as an implicit understanding of the purpose of borders and deportation.

This does of course bring up a good point, that abolition of the police without some way of preventing the corresponding uptake in corporate security - many hiring the same goons, and finding themselves thus unaccountable to the people - would need to be forced to be held accountable, say, by some mass labor movement that withholds labor and sees to its own security.

 

[AmazonQueen]

The injured counter-protester rescued by Patrick Hutchinson, a BLM protester, turns out to be an ex-cop and Millwall fan.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...ce-officer/ar-BB15Fm1e?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

 

[Samson]

Careful of your identity at the protests, the cops are going to some lengths to identify people. Through photos, a tatoo, online comments and linkedin they went from torching a police car to a massage therapist.

 

[Zardnaar]

Photo in article cops shoulder has a number on it.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national...serious-incident-in-auckland-suburb-of-massey

This one is 6381.

Do American cops have something similar?

Basically the cop has to display that number. There's an independent Police Complaints Authority.

 

[Bugfatty300]

If you prefer private/personal security being further normalized...

It's already normal. You think the police will be your personal bodygaurds?

 

[Takhisis]

Y'know, I keep saying things about the militarisation of police, but using actual military aircraft to survey (and identify?) protesters is another step along the path that reads ‘ridiculous’:

Air Force Investigates Military Planes That Monitored Protesters

The Air Force inspector general is examining whether demonstrators were improperly surveilled in Washington and Minneapolis. Here’s the latest.​

Also, here's why I'm not in favour of just letting everyone have guns:

Hundreds of armed counter-protesters confront Black Lives Matter rally in Ohio
Counter-protesters harassed group of peaceful demonstrators with rifles, bats and racial slurs in mostly white town of Bethel

Spoiler :

A small and peaceful demonstration in an Ohio town to support the Black Lives Matter movement at the weekend was overwhelmed when hundreds of counter-protesters – some armed with rifles or baseball bats – harassed the group.

Alicia Gee, a 36-year-old substitute school teacher, expected about 50 people to attend a demonstration – the first protest she had ever organized, she told the Cincinnati Enquirer – but almost twice as many turned out.

The rally was intended to show solidarity with the minority black community in Bethel, a mostly white town of about 2,800 people 30 miles east of Cincinnati, she added.

But the small group of protesters were overwhelmed when roughly 700 counter-protesters turned up to show their opposition to the kind of rallies and marches against racism and police brutality sweeping the nation since the killing of George Floyd by a police officer in Minneapolis in May.

Gee’s gathering demonstrated the renewed reach of the Black Lives Matter movement to small, majority white towns in the midwest that haven’t seen protests in years, spurred by recent, high-profile examples of killings of black people by white police officers or armed individuals acting as vigilantes.

Some small towns holding rallies now did not see such events after the killing of Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014.

Gee referenced violent tragedies such as the alleged murder of Floyd by Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, the shooting death of Breonna Taylor by Louisville police, and the killing of Ahmaud Arbery by two armed white men in Georgia.

She said in a Facebook post that such brutality made it “perfectly clear to me it’s time for my comfort to be put by the wayside, it is time for me to use my body, my voice, and my privilege to show my town that it is not ‘fine,’ that it’s not just ‘city folks’ that have the right to peacefully assemble, and that Black Lives Matter even if there are just a few in our town.”

But the demonstration was engulfed by a combination of armed gun-rights defenders, “back the blue” pro-police groups and about 250 people on motorcycles, which forced the group to move two blocks from its original location and led to tumult.

Videos from what turned into a two-hour clash, several of which circulated on Twitter and Facebook, show the counter-protesters shouting racial slurs and “all lives matter” and accosting demonstrators.

“They were grabbing me, and grabbing my mom, and they just seemed to have no respect for the law,” Andrea Dennis, a Bethel resident whose Facebook live from the demonstration shows a man ripping a fellow demonstrator’s sign from her hands, told the Enquirer.

Bethel police said they were investigating 10 “incidents” from Sunday afternoon.

In another Facebook live video, Heather Bratton, also from Bethel, asserts “this is my hometown too!” to a white woman who repeatedly uses the N-word.

A few counter-demonstrators “started coming over and ripping signs out of our hands, ripping the hats and masks off of our faces, ripping things out of our pockets,” wrote demonstrator Abbi Remers on Facebook, along with a photo of a man’s bloody cheek, a bloodied mask, and video of men shouting “This ain’t Seattle!” and “This is a Republican state!”

Another widely circulated video shows a man wearing what appears to be a Confederate flag bandana sucker-punching a protester in the back of the head in front of a police officer, who makes no arrest attempt. The video drew condemnation from Ohio senator Sherrod Brown.

“These officers’ inaction is shameful,” Brown tweeted. “This is why we need the Justice in Policing Act – to hold police accountable,” he added, referring to legislation introduced by House Democrats earlier this month.

Josh Martinez (@YoJoshMartinez)

A #BlackLivesMatter protestor in #Bethel #Ohio got sucker punched DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A COP & nothing was done by the officer to protect and serve the protestor.

‍ pic.twitter.com/BPeKhOjxb3

June 15, 2020
In a virtual village council meeting on Tuesday, Bethel police chief Steve Teague said the officer present had not witnessed the incident because his attention was pulled to the side. All six of Bethel’s officers were present on Sunday, Teague said, as well as some county deputies.

On Wednesday, Bethel police issued an arrest warrant for assault, citing the video as evidence.

Because of tension and intimidation on Sunday, Gee said in a Facebook live video posted Monday that she did not plan to schedule another demonstration. “I want us to heal, I want our community to heal, I want peace and love to be spread,” she said. “And I’m worried that what we saw yesterday with more counter-protesters coming out – I’m worried that’s going to happen again.”

By Monday evening, Bethel mayor Jay Noble imposed a 9pm curfew, citing “the threat of continued and escalating violence.”

Gee urged supporters to “not come to Bethel right now”, in a chilling echo of so-called “sundown towns” – majority-white towns where black people were evicted, barred from buying property, and banned after dark by threat of violence earlier in the 20th century.

“It is not a time for any type of Black Lives Matter supporters to be in Bethel right now,” Gee said. “It’s not safe.”

“Our purpose was to show our community that it cares,” she said. “That it loves the people within our community, and right now, that cannot happen.”

I agree with Sommerswerd, the fewer guns the better, full stop.

It's already normal. You think the police will be your personal bodygaurds?

Isn't that one of the fates for people who're too hot even to rehire as law enforcement in <insert place a few counties away>?

 

[Sommerswerd]

No empire lasts forever, hence the "for the time being" comment, it wasn't really an attempt to make a prediction or whatever.

My money's on China

 

[Berzerker]

I hate the thought of cameras everywhere, but the guy who sucker punched a protester was caught on film and is now facing arrest for assault

 

[Bugfatty300]

Isn't that one of the fates for people who're too hot even to rehire as law enforcement in <insert place a few counties away>?

Many active cops moonlight as bouncers and bodyguards which should be illegal obviously. The funny thing is that a lot of private security firms scrutinize applicants more than police departments. There's actual legal and financial incentive to make sure guards are restrained and professional unlike PDs who are shielded from law suits.

 

[Takhisis]

There's a sudden BLM-alike movement springing up in Brazil, Argentine media reports.
In 2019 police killed thrice as many people as five years before. While Brazil had undergone a serious economic downturn in those five years, which usually leads to increased crime and violence, the other factor is the fact that an open retrograde/reactionary who is actually against human rights and democracy and is also an egomaniac who likes to tamper with figures and lives in his own reality is the president of the country.