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I can't believe some Democrats are over 200 years old.
[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black
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I can't believe some Democrats are over 200 years old.
Trump praises Duterte's deadly drug war in leaked transcript
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I'll also remind people that it was Nixon that started the War on Drugs. Nixon, of the Southern Strategy, which was the official timepoint when the Republican Party decided to appeal to anti-black racists.
Trump Budget Doubles Down on Drug War
I'll also remind people that it was Nixon that started the War on Drugs. Nixon, of the Southern Strategy, which was the official timepoint when the Republican Party decided to appeal to anti-black racists.
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They survive by leeching the life energy from the babies they kidnap to sacrifice to Satan.
Oh wait, there's more
Senate Unanimously Passes Cocaine Sentencing Legislation
Unanimoulsly!!!! Wow, that's pretty fricken strong evidence of complete consensus
Senate Unanimously Passes Cocaine Sentencing Legislation
Unanimoulsly!!!! Wow, that's pretty fricken strong evidence of complete consensus
Spoiler Let's drill down on that history :
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But thanks to 5G they won't have to do that anymore, they can just leech our life force directly and invisibly
Notice how the burden of proof now lies, not with the killer, but with those who were killed and now have to prove why it was wrong to kill them.
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Its so very libertarian to put the burden of proof on the dead! oh or the impoverished and under educated.
Seon
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Again Libertarianism in America have always been an authoritarian right wing movement since it’s inception as a reactionary counter to the New Deal, so this is unsurprising.
Berzerker
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They have video of McAtee firing a gun before he was shot, why is another question but it was his gunfire cops/NG were apparently responding to. Gomez had body armor, several guns and police said he pointed one at them.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/jun/07/the-last-minutes-of-jorge-gomezs-life/
Wasn't just the cops who said he was armed. I dont see any that were unrelated to the protests or by a counter protester, maybe the one out in California by the 'bugaloo' guy.
They take turns destroying black lives, its a generational endeavor. Joe's been on the job for the last 50
The Black Caucus met with Nixon begging him for the drug war asap. What the Republicans were doing does not exonerate the Democrats.
If you're accusing a cop of murder isn't the burden of proof on you?
I didn't put the burden of proof on the dead, I put it on Lex.
No, but them significantly increasing the penalty disparity for crack vs. cocaine a mere 10 years ago means that maybe the Democrats have come further than the Republicans if someone is forced to choose between the two now.
So police, or anybody else for that matter, killing somebody else is supposed to be justified until and unless proven otherwise? Is this what you've come to?
The US has a weird self-defense system, where you they have to prove you murdered someone and weren't defending yourself. It's internally consistent, even if it sucks.
But this shouldn't extend to the Agents of the State, who actually have to show that they met minimum standards before they used State-sanctioned force against someone. That is, if you believe in limiting the State's ability to wield power against the People.
But this shouldn't extend to the Agents of the State, who actually have to show that they met minimum standards before they used State-sanctioned force against someone. That is, if you believe in limiting the State's ability to wield power against the People.
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Berzerker
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Dont we have Joe to thank for the 100-1 disparity?
I guess you're in the guilty til proven innocent camp
By stating that law enforcement is entitled to declare people guilty and kill them you are the one who is ‘in the guilty til proven innocent camp’. Nice try, though.
Such as Libertarian Republicans state to believe?
You're referring to the version of Joe from more than two decades before Republicans fought to increase the disparity from zero to 18?
Yeah, he was involved, the Anti-Drug Abuse Act was an overwhelmingly collaborative effort from 1986. Mitch McConnell was both there and orchestrated one of the most egregious Supreme Court hijackings in our lifetime. Trump is doing his very best to give Mitch more political power, so it's kind of a wash. Well, except Mitch was still (R) when Republicans fought to increase the disparity from zero to 18 in 2010.
Mitch and Biden both lose for 1986 (it had overwhelming support though, so not sure how that plays into analysis)
Mitch loses for 2010
Trump loses for supporting Mitch, despite 2010.
Also, seeing how fossilized the Senate turnover goes is hella depressing.
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The word entitled means you have a legal right to something. The cop who killed Floyd is 'entitled' to a fair trial and presumption of innocence, he is not entitled to walk away if found guilty. So you believe when the state accuses people of crimes, they're guilty until they prove their innocence?
We dont have to go back that far nor do I think Biden (or Obama) would have gotten the 1st Step Act thru Congress. Thats why Trump is better than Biden on the drug war, he can bring his own party on board. Bush 41 couldn't get Nafta passed because of partisanship, so Clinton gets elected and Nafta passes Congress.
Obama comes along and does all sorts of nasty things McCain would have had trouble getting done. Real reform takes a certain level of bipartisanship, especially with split government. So Trump pushes reform thru Congress. What happened to the Democrats since? Where's the 2st Step Act? Where's the 3rd? Why did Trump lead the way on that and not the Democrats?
Iirc even the police themselves, in the other recent death case, argued not that he was shot because he had stolen the taser and could use it, but because supposedly his killer thought he heard a firearm shot.
Now, I personally don't think it is a good idea to let the police off the hook just cause they imagine things (and I am not saying I buy that they even did in this case either). If you are irrationally afraid of being killed, you shouldn't get off the hook, and you certainly shouldn't be given a gun and be in the police.
It seems the person was killed just cause the police were greedy enough to be determined to fine him for being drunk, and he was desperate/dumb enough to think he could just avoid it by running away. Or he was actually afraid the police would plant evidence and hurt him in other ways too. Either way, it was an entirely avoidable death, and the police made it happen.
Now, I personally don't think it is a good idea to let the police off the hook just cause they imagine things (and I am not saying I buy that they even did in this case either). If you are irrationally afraid of being killed, you shouldn't get off the hook, and you certainly shouldn't be given a gun and be in the police.
It seems the person was killed just cause the police were greedy enough to be determined to fine him for being drunk, and he was desperate/dumb enough to think he could just avoid it by running away. Or he was actually afraid the police would plant evidence and hurt him in other ways too. Either way, it was an entirely avoidable death, and the police made it happen.
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