[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

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Footage of police engaging in violence against a 70+ year old senior, warning, it's difficult to watch:

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268743611467870211

You can literally hear what sounds like his skull cracking, jesus christ.

Another angle:

https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1268727223923535872

****ing scum, they need to be prosecuted for attempted murder

Pretty sure he's bringing one of them a dropped helmet... I also reckon the crack is the helmet he's holding hitting the ground.
 
Pretty sure he's bringing one of them a dropped helmet... I also reckon the crack is the helmet he's holding hitting the ground.

Possibly, but the dude's bleeding out of the back of his head so it's pretty serious regardless.

Cops shoot unarmed homeless man in LA. (Warning graphic)

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Possibly, but the dude's bleeding out of the back of his head so it's pretty serious regardless.

Cops shoot unarmed homeless man in LA. (Warning graphic)

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Oh yeah absolutely, I just don't think heads hitting cement make quite that firm a sound.
 
For all the talk of fascism, mayors and governors sometimes seem as exasperated with the behaviour of their cops as everyone else. It doesn't seem like anyone really has a handle on these people at the moment.
 
For all the talk of fascism, mayors and governors sometimes seem as exasperated with the behaviour of their cops as everyone else. It doesn't seem like anyone really has a handle on these people at the moment.

Cops have long been wriggling away from civilian control for decades now. It takes a mayor with strong ties and a lot of pork and backroom deals to have a police force under their control.

In NYC in theory this is enabled by the Mayor having the power to appoint and dismiss the Commissioner at will, the Public Advocate serves as a watchdog, Local Law 70 was passed, creating the OIG-NYPD, the NYC Civilian Complaint Review Board, and a few other things,

but they bite back with two Unions, the "Police Benevolent Association of the City of New York" and the ''Sergeants Benevolent Association", both of which are very insular, partisan organizations, the former declaring it saw critics as enemies and was shifting to a 'wartime stance' under Pat Lynch and the latter declared 'war' on the Mayor and doxxed his own damn daughter and their twitter is average Alt-Light Republican trash.

The mayor refuses to do a purge as for some reason he has decided that it's better for a hands-off, head-in-the-sand approach about what the police are doing. But they hate him, he's already a lame duck, and he could enact a purge if he wished. IT'S TOO LATE TO GET IN THEIR GOOD GRACES, BLASIO!

We're at the point that we may very well have to activate the National Guard to defend the civilian administration against the fudging cops, if Blasio or whomever follows tries to enact any real power over them.

It doesn't help that the courts are on the backburn, we're slated to open in Phase 1. I've handed my fair share of documents and Subpoenas and cases against officers, and I can't wait to flood my office with all the new cases that the last week, and maybe this following week, will produce.
 
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So, thumbs up on interventionism?
Seems like a non-secateur to me:

- Why do non-americans stand around in a park protesting american police?
- Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
- So you are saying we should invade them?
 
For all the talk of fascism, mayors and governors sometimes seem as exasperated with the behaviour of their cops as everyone else. It doesn't seem like anyone really has a handle on these people at the moment.

The mayors and governors may be unhappy, but I'm pretty sure the Republican leadership is fine.
 
You think the article you linked is pandering to racists and bigots?:confused:

The whole "you're just a white guilt liberal" thing is all about countering challenges to the white supremacists claims that they are "secretly supported by almost all white people." They are the bold warriors speaking out, but really everyone except for a few "slaves to white guilt" appreciate their heroism.

Such is their theory.
 
We're at the point that we may very well have to activate the National Guard to defend the civilian administration against the ******* cops, if Blasio or whomever follows tries to enact any real power over them

Are we already at that point ?
Are people at large in the US convinced that there is a systemic issue regarding the police and a big enough systemic issue to make real changes ?

We have a Dutch saying: "Men dempt de put pas als het kalf verdronken is" ("The well is only filled in when the calf has drowned")
You can interpretate that as favoring to take preventive pro-active actions... but it is actually two-edged... the other edge better fitting our real nature: you need that drunken calf as evidence that change is needed

One of the important rules of management in big organisations is to "never spend resources on solving an issue before that "issue" is really seen as an issue by (enough of your) superiors and seen as needing resources to the amount you propose"

If you have an issue you want to solve you
1. think out a solution 2. sell that there is an issue 3. let it broil a while after your promise you find a solution 4. rescue the day with proposing the solution 5. get the buy in 6. do what you all along intended and solve the issue.

And when solutions need steady maintenance resources to be sustainable, you need to keep the original issue awake to some degree in the collective awareness. Otherwise the usual creeping processes will erode your maintenance away.

Using the National Guard to defend the civilian administration can only be a temporary action to transition to another system, another way to provide essential public services.
If the National Guard would only replace the police officers nothing really has changed, and the National Guard will creep towards the issues we face now with the police.
 
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No answers, no facts, just labeling people with negative words... I didnt say anything about those groups you mentioned. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Based on statistics police killings against black people is not as big of an issue as people make it to be. If you think "black lives matter" this is not the biggest issue. Police brutality is easy target for self-hating white "liberals" and blacks.

In general I feel many white Americans have some serious identity issues. I have no idea why white Americans would care so much about black people and their issues. Dont you have your own problems with Opioid Epidemic, which killed 70.000 people in 2017 alone. Talk about that. There is a Polish proverb “Not my circus, not my monkeys.”, which I think fits here.

hot take after hot take! nice! ./s
 
London ALREADY had a BLM esque protest when they shot that guy, Duggan, in his car in 2011.

BLM events in the UK seem to be very white, so I'm not sure it even matters what the black population in that area is.
 
Are we already at that point ?
Are people at large in the US convinced that there is a systemic issue regarding the police and a big enough systemic issue to make real changes ?

We have a Dutch saying: "Men dempt de put pas als het kalf verdronken is" ("The well is only filled in when the calf has drowned")
You can interpretate that as favoring to take preventive pro-active actions... but it is actually two-edged... the other edge better fitting our real nature: you need that drunken calf as evidence that change is needed

One of the important rules of management in big organisations is to "never spend resources on solving an issue before that "issue" is really seen as an issue by (enough of your) superiors and seen as needing resources to the amount you propose"

If you have an issue you want to solve you
1. think out a solution 2. sell that there is an issue 3. let it broil a while after your promise you find a solution 4. rescue the day with proposing the solution 5. get the buy in 6. do what you all along intended and solve the issue.

And when solutions need steady maintenance resources to be sustainable, you need to keep the original issue awake to some degree in the collective awareness. Otherwise the usual creeping processes will erode your maintenance away.

Using the National Guard to defend the civilian administration can only be a temporary action to transition to another system, another way to provide essential public services.
If the National Guard would only replace the police officers nothing really has changed, and the National Guard will creep towards the issues we face now with the police.

Commodore, who is American ex-military and served in Afghanistan, says the military is actually held to a higher standard than police as it pertains to rules of engagement.

edit: or maybe Iraq, I forget.
 
White self-hatred is a term used by white supremacists to describe white people who take issue with aspects of white culture or white supremacy, this is literally just giving it a fancy name.
Sure, I've seen it happening. Still, I think the phenomenon itself exists and the article is reasonably fair and balanced about it, even if the label is otherwise frequently overused by white supremacists.
Kind of like US conservatives tend to call everything to the left of general Pinochet (maybe some poetic license here :)) "communist" or "socialist". Does not mean communism or socialism is not actually a thing.
 
BLM events in the UK seem to be very white, so I'm not sure it even matters what the black population in that area is.

Weird isn't it how you seem to consistantly be against those who try to implement or push for social change or at the very least trying to discredit and downplay their activism.

Not at all troubling or telling whatsoever of your own personal opinions, it's almost as if you fear just coming straight out and saying what you really think.
 
You think the article you linked is pandering to racists and bigots?:confused:

Its not a fault to have compassion and understanding of history to realize that north and western Europeans have a long history of white supremacy around the world that has lead to deleterious effects around that world.
 
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