[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Farm Boy]

Seeing what you want to see again Manfred?

Only 3% of the UK population is black or mixed race and over 90% are white according to the last census so its probably not surprising that the demonstrations have been predominantly white but black people were certainly there and formed a lot more than 3% of those present at the demo I attended in Cardiff.

Oh good. Some media finally got to a better event. It was getting kind of weird with the constant stream of lilywhite from the UK. I mean, touching, don't get me wrong. The lack of a rhotic r at the end of the chant was getting to me for some reason. Maybe it just actually sounding kinda like something shouted from very far away(you lose certain consonants). But I'm not sure how well that translates with people who don't attempt to have conversations at the end of shouting range where it's quiet.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Meanwhile police co-operating with far-right groups...

https://twitter.com/Satellit3Heart/status/1268863536299675648

Just y'know, "discretely" telling proudboy members to shelter inside buildings to avoid tear gas whilst subjecting everyone else to it, definitely not weird and incredibly normal stuff

God, it's almost as if the police have a bias towards helping those on the right, it's not even the first instance of it happening; police have been found giving information to these groups, having officers with white supremacist tattoos and even having officers as members of these groups (not infiltrating either!)

 

[Imaus]

Old man in Buffalo tries to give back a helmet to the police. Approaches them all alone.

He gets mowed down by the line, hits his head, KOs and bleeds out the ears. One cop tries to help him but the 'few bad apples' immediately push him forward, telling him to 'HOLD THE LINE' like they're some damn phalanx. The National Guard attached leaned down to help/view. And the cops spin it as the guy 'tripped and fell'. 75 year old dude who probably thinks cops are still like the cops from the old shows.

Don't aid cops. They can grab their own gear later. Toss that garbage into the road. Reminded me of those Greens who rushed a coal plant in Germany, one of them tried to help a cop who got knocked down, he got beat and apprehended for it. Cops are tough boys ain't they, they can look after their own.

 

[H4run]

Old man in Buffalo tries to give back a helmet to the police. Approaches them all alone.

He gets mowed down by the line, hits his head, KOs and bleeds out the ears. One cop tries to help him but the 'few bad apples' immediately push him forward, telling him to 'HOLD THE LINE' like they're some damn phalanx. The National Guard attached leaned down to help/view. And the cops spin it as the guy 'tripped and fell'. 75 year old dude who probably thinks cops are still like the cops from the old shows.

Don't aid cops. They can grab their own gear later. Toss that garbage into the road. Reminded me of those Greens who rushed a coal plant in Germany, one of them tried to help a cop who got knocked down, he got beat and apprehended for it. Cops are tough boys ain't they, they can look after their own.

This is really sicken me, and they just pass through him like he is not exist, truly the lowest of the low, the enemies of peoples!

 

[Farm Boy]

The national guardsman will probably get an attaboy, two are suspended so far. He's stable but serious.

This seems pretty open and shut, but pay attention. It's a story like this that fades when everything else is loud. Shoving somebody down on concrete, especially if they're older, having them gravely injured by head trauma is predictable and generally culpable.

 

[H4run]

They just let him laying down on the floor, I just cannot believe what I see, that guy with hair all white just keep himself on the ground while his head is bleeding, he may suffered a serious injury, heartless bastard.

 

[Farm Boy]

He is gravely injured. They have him in stable condition at the hospital for the moment. I'm guessing the not total shitweeds got an ambulance there with relative alacrity.

 

[Modder_Mode]

It's the level of bad faith that i take issue with, imagine me with all my history, entering a thread about minorities and then trying to position myself as some sort of neutral, disinterested detatched view

So why enter a debate charged with emotion? Maybe that's why you practice racial stereotyping and generalizations about groups of people?

It just seems that some of your more extreme responses are driven by emotion rather than logic and truths?

You never answered.

Sorry I just chose not to reply to the question, I've already made my points.

 

[Commodore]

Old man in Buffalo tries to give back a helmet to the police. Approaches them all alone.

He gets mowed down by the line, hits his head, KOs and bleeds out the ears. One cop tries to help him but the 'few bad apples' immediately push him forward, telling him to 'HOLD THE LINE' like they're some damn phalanx. The National Guard attached leaned down to help/view. And the cops spin it as the guy 'tripped and fell'. 75 year old dude who probably thinks cops are still like the cops from the old shows.

Don't aid cops. They can grab their own gear later. Toss that garbage into the road. Reminded me of those Greens who rushed a coal plant in Germany, one of them tried to help a cop who got knocked down, he got beat and apprehended for it. Cops are tough boys ain't they, they can look after their own.

This is exactly why I get mad when I hear people put the police on the same level as the military in terms of respect. The police injure a civilian who was trying to help and then leave him there to bleed out. And who is it that finally provides medical aid to him? The National Guard medic.

This one video should show the difference between the two and why one is worthy of the nation's respect and the other isn't.

 

[Farm Boy]

All tools dull with use. The national guard is sharp right now, I'm rather hoping we don't wear the sheen off. We've done it before.

 

[Commodore]

Gotta say if I were the commanding officer of that National Guard unit, I would have ordered my guardsmen to immediately place those cops under arrest and to use whatever force necessary against any other cops that tried to resist or stop them from arresting the ones who assaulted that man.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Maybe that's why you practice racial stereotyping and generalizations about groups of people?

Historically white people have oppressed many groups, including their "own", so let's not pretend okay that it's some sort of unfair analysis to point this out, okay?

It just seems that some of your more extreme responses are driven by emotion rather than logic and truths?

Who knew that debating whether or not someone deserves to exist without having violence inflicted upon them on the basis of who and what they are was such an emotive topic, weird that

Sorry I just chose not to reply to the question, I've already made my points.

Because you couldn't and you can't.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Seeing what you want to see again Manfred?

Only 3% of the UK population is black or mixed race and over 90% are white according to the last census so its probably not surprising that the demonstrations have been predominantly white but black people were certainly there and formed a lot more than 3% of those present at the demo I attended in Cardiff.

I said "very white", not "exclusively white". You then go on to say "its probably not surprising that the demonstrations have been predominantly white" so, once again, I have no idea what you're objecting to here since you completely agree with what I said. And yes obviously it's easy to find pictures zoomed right in on a few people where they're all black, but pretty much any large crowd shot will show that they are "very white", as you said yourself.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I said "very white", not "exclusively white". You then go on to basically agree that they are very white anyway so, once again, I have no idea what you're objecting to here. And yes obviously it's easy to find pictures zoomed right in on a few people where they're all black, but pretty much any large crowd shot will show that they are "very white".

Who cares? Seriously, there's this concept of being an ally for groups that have less priviledge than yourself that you seem to be incapable of grasping.

 

[innonimatu]

Gotta say if I were the commanding officer of that National Guard unit, I would have ordered my guardsmen to immediately place those cops under arrest and to use whatever force necessary against any other cops that tried to resist or stop them from arresting the ones who assaulted that man.

I suspect that is the reason why the government there backed off from the idea of putting the active-duty military on the street together with the police. Could turn out very bad for this kind of police... they're each other's accomplices holding themselves above the law, but insert another force into the mix and that complicity isn't guaranteed.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I said "very white", not "exclusively white". You then go on to say "its probably not surprising that the demonstrations have been predominantly white" so, once again, I have no idea what you're objecting to here since you completely agree with what I said. And yes obviously it's easy to find pictures zoomed right in on a few people where they're all black, but pretty much any large crowd shot will show that they are "very white", as you said yourself.

No, I didn't say "very white", you said that.
Individual demos varied, some were mostly white, others not so much, but all the demos had considerable numbers of black people, way above the 3% of the population they form.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think it's important to not protest while wearing a mask. It dehumanizes you.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

No, I didn't say "very white", you said that.
Individual demos varied, some were mostly white, others not so much, but all the demos had considerable numbers of black people, way above the 3% of the population they form.

Okay, so this argument is about "very" vs "predominantly" then? I don't find that a hair worth splitting.

 

[El_Machinae]

Gotta say if I were the commanding officer of that National Guard unit, I would have ordered my guardsmen to immediately place those cops under arrest and to use whatever force necessary against any other cops that tried to resist or stop them from arresting the ones who assaulted that man.

You've spent many paragraphs telling us how you'd assist the populace if the government went too far. I expect to see you at the protests regarding police over-reach.

 

[Senethro]

Okay, so this argument is about "very" vs "predominantly" then? I don't find that a hair worth splitting.

You have never encountered a hair you didn't wish to split.