[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Cloud_Strife]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

Like accusing a movement based on demonstrable negative treatment of African Americans by the police in America as not being grounded in reality?

Give us a break.

 

[Commodore]

White Americans protesting makes little sense

It makes perfect sense. While police killings, brutality and abuse may disproportionately affect non-whites in the US, the stats show the police have no qualms about abusing white people as well. The issue at hand is police abusing the population in their non-stop efforts to try to beat us into submission.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Don't misunderstand me, the police treat white Americans like ****, but they treat African Americans worse.

 

[Yeekim]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

You yourself pointed out that in absolute numbers US police kills even more whites than blacks. You also criticized race being emphasized too much (incidentally I agree). So, how does it make little sense for white Americans to protest? It makes perfect sense. As for European protesters... both of us are currently arguing with strangers on a video game forum. Neither of us is particularly well positioned to lecture others about productive use of their time and energy.

 

[Berzerker]

So you can argue you might be right on the technicality that more white people are killed by police, but given that there's what, nearly 200 million (non-Hispanic) white people (AFAIK) in the US, compared to many less people in other racial demographics, it's a very poor technicality to argue.

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.

Unarmed Hispanics were killed less often than both black and white, not sure that helps the racism argument. I dont know where Asians are on the list, but I suspect death rates are tied in with how and where we've been waging drug wars.

 

[Arwon]

I can't speak for all European nations but the protests here are being led by Aboriginal groups and are focused on the disproportionate Aboriginal deaths in custody and on police mistreatment, as well as solidarity with the US. Black lives matter certainly covers Australian black people too.

The public interest in the US situation is an opportunity to highlight the issues here, including in 2015 a man dying under restraint while saying he couldn't breathe.

I'd be surprised if European countries didn't mostly have racist police behaviour as well. Certainly the UK does, I bet France and Germany do. The primary difference between the US and many other countries isn't the police racism so much as it is the insanely militarised police which is coupled with the racism.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I can't speak for all European nations but the protests here are being led by Aboriginal groups and are focused on the disproportionate Aboriginal deaths in custody and on police mistreatment, as well as solidarity with the US. Black lives matter certainly covers Australian black people too.

The public interest in the US situation is an opportunity to highlight the issues here, including in 2015 a man dying under restraint while saying he couldn't breathe.

I'd be surprised if European countries didn't mostly have racist police behaviour as well. Certainly the UK does, I bet France and Germany do. The primary difference between the US and many other countries isn't the police racism so much as it is the insanely militarised police which is coupled with the racism.

Yep, we don't have the same problem with guns as the US but tasers are 3 times more likely to be used on black than white suspects

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34511532

 

[bernie14]

see my subscript:
Martin Luther King: “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

So, thumbs up on interventionism?

 

[Imaus]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

The biggest protests are in London and Paris, yes?

Both have big black populations compared to anywhere else in Europe. Colonial Empires and immigration and all that. Both have seen police-involved deaths before in the last decade or so, which due to social media and this long recession among the lower classes feels like yesterday. Things aren't as easily forgotten anymore.

London ALREADY had a BLM esque protest when they shot that guy, Duggan, in his car in 2011. The Parisians have already been fighting their police for over a year now with the more economical Yellow Vests. And ya know, these protests have exploded beyond BLM to 'Wow the police are overfunded, overmilitaristic, trigger happy, abusive goits everywhere' which holds true nearly everywhere.

So no it's not idiotic, the point is black people in Europe are definitely treated like dirt, the police are the uppity dolts, and need to be brought to heel, if I am to liberally use typically racist hotwords and dogwhistles like you do.

 

[abradley]

John Boyega is Right About Black Men
"Black men, it starts with you, it's done man, we can't be trash no more. We have to be better."

 

[Arwon]

Big rally here in Canberra today (city of about 400k people) - https://twitter.com/waltonkate/status/1268716921337245697?s=19 this is the march between the city centre and federal parliament.

https://twitter.com/davpope/status/1268720641445748736?s=19

https://twitter.com/hil_clix_pix/status/1268719136223313921?s=09

I dunno if you can embed tweets or what

 

[cardgame]

haters will say it's fake

@rah

@Arwon just take a screenshot of tweets unless you need or want to include the commentary

 

[H4run]

Unarmed Hispanics were killed less often than both black and white, not sure that helps the racism argument. I dont know where Asians are on the list, but I suspect death rates are tied in with how and where we've been waging drug wars.

Please Berzerker, contrast that with the percentage of the mentioned ethnic group in American population.which is around 16%, that means they are still treated poor in comparison with White people, but Black people still get treated the worst.

 

[red_elk]

Who are these people?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

haters will say it's fake

It may well be real, just keep in mind that "dismantle" in this context is loosely defined. In a lot of ways the LAPD got dismantled after Rodney King. There was very little left intact in the upper levels, for sure. Real investigations happened and at Rampart Station, which was really corrupt to the core, there were a decent number of "nothing else for it you are going to jail" results. There were not near as many firings as there should have been, because a lot of immediate resignations were accepted that should have been terminations, but from the LAPD perspective the result was good. Also good from LAPD perspective but not overall there was a major wave of "can't take the scrutiny" resignations over the following few years.

Bottom line; could be good, could be at least good for Minneapolis, nearby jurisdictions should be very closely watched in their hiring policies for the next decade or so.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

there is a war starting in this country between those that can feel empathy and those that can't

Those that can't side with the cops and government, those that can support the protesters.

If you can watch the countless videos of the police abusing protesters and instigating them by aggressing on them and still not come to the conclusion that the police are a major cause of these protests and riots, then you are part of the problem that is leading to this war

 

[Modder_Mode]

But he really hurts my feeling Aelf, when he exposed us that we are "self hating white liberal" in front of everyone here. It's the most painful koanic enlightenment for me and I hope for you also. I guess we should repent and be a good example and never be that self defeating white people no more.

It's called oikophobia.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's called oikophobia.

Ten dollar word for nonsense? Made up by someone preying on the strong name calling bully characteristics of the modern right?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Footage of police engaging in violence against a 70+ year old senior, warning, it's difficult to watch:

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268743611467870211

You can literally hear what sounds like his skull cracking, jesus christ.

Another angle:

https://twitter.com/PhillyD/status/1268727223923535872

****ing scum, they need to be prosecuted for attempted murder

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ten dollar word for nonsense? Made up by someone preying on the strong name calling bully characteristics of the modern right?

https://quillette.com/2019/10/07/oikophobia-our-western-self-hatred/

This is all you need to know, just more pandering to racists and bigots.