Maybe the demonstrators need to look into hiring sympathetic veterans like myself as "tactical advisors."
Burn tires. The clouds of black smoke will cut visibility from the air.
[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black
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Maybe the demonstrators need to look into hiring sympathetic veterans like myself as "tactical advisors."
Burn tires. The clouds of black smoke will cut visibility from the air.
Joij21
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Neutralizing should be just that, neutralizing police only. Not going out of one's own way to rape everyone that comes in your path. That's how they would go from rebels rebelling against tyranny to a bunch of rapist terrorist thugs in the mind of the people.
The thing I find about this is, if people want to, they can find any excuse to dismiss people on the look on their face, or the look not on their face. If we're assuming good-faith communication (at a distance, or whatever), then in this time of Covid-19 people should be aware there are entirely fair reasons for wearing a mask in the first place. It shouldn't be seen as dehumanising, and obviously, should be discussed in-context of a specific time and place.
We're also discussing how the protestors are coming across, which I dunno. I can see where you're coming from, it just feels like a low-yield thing. Convincing liberals, or centrists in general, of the atrocities of the police is a far easier argument than debating the nuance of facial expressions through a mask, in my opinion. If the mask is something that puts people off, then that's a reactive / first-reaction kind of thing. It's hard to argue with that.
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He's clarified, Joij. Still doesn't seem a great idea, but yes, 'like smoke or something' it's a better idea than that.
It doesn't matter if people know masks are good right now. You still are more threatening in a mask regardless. It doesn't matter if beards are awesome, you still look more masculine and scarier than when you shave. Police departments have done those regulations before. Actually seeing facial hair on officers usually makes me suspect they aren't taking descalation and professionalism as seriously as fashion.
It doesn't matter if people know masks are good right now. You still are more threatening in a mask regardless. It doesn't matter if beards are awesome, you still look more masculine and scarier than when you shave. Police departments have done those regulations before. Actually seeing facial hair on officers usually makes me suspect they aren't taking descalation and professionalism as seriously as fashion.
"it doesn't matter if masks are medically-recommended and in certain countries are turning into something you can be fined without wearing in certain situations" is perhaps the nuance we need to go for here. It does matter, because there have already been comments on mask-less protests making Covid-19 worse. You either need to recognise the optics are no-win, or you need to try and convince people that masks are actually good. You're not going to get anywhere, in my opinion, trying anything else.
Regardless of this particular possible infraviaductal goblinoid, people up in teh Nordics often have a problem imagining social disorders. From nearly a decade of learning their language off native speakers who drop by here for a bit of experience in the wild I already know that they don't much think of bribery as a real possibility. The cultural shock, if it weren't so jarring, would often be borderline hilarious.
It's a neologism but a valid one. Of course it can be misused deliberately, such as ‘politically correct’ switching meaning quite a few times over the last century or so.
We're getting in stupid-land for the second week in a row now:
Somebody take the smartphone and laptop away from this man. As much as I want him to be voted out of office I don't want things to spiral further into violence.
Buffalo Police Officers Suspended After Shoving 75-Year-Old Protester
Fifty-seven officers resigned in support of the two who were suspended. The protester was in serious but stable condition.
President Trump, citing a positive jobs report, said it was a “great day” for Mr. Floyd. The comment was immediately condemned. Here’s the latest.
“Hopefully, George is looking down right now in saying this is a great thing happening for our country,” Mr. Trump said. “A great day for him, a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great day in terms of equality.”
Fifty-seven officers resigned in support of the two who were suspended. The protester was in serious but stable condition.
President Trump, citing a positive jobs report, said it was a “great day” for Mr. Floyd. The comment was immediately condemned. Here’s the latest.
“Hopefully, George is looking down right now in saying this is a great thing happening for our country,” Mr. Trump said. “A great day for him, a great day for everybody. This is a great day for everybody. This is a great day in terms of equality.”
Somebody take the smartphone and laptop away from this man. As much as I want him to be voted out of office I don't want things to spiral further into violence.
What does that mean ?
That they quit their job ?
or that they have still their normal police officer job but are no longer available for the riot squad team ?
zxcvbob
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No, they just quit the riot squad. Fine, take away their gun and assign them to be meter maids, or give them a broom and tell them to clean up dog ****. (57 is a good start; they've made their move, now make them pay for it)
Joij21
🔥It's Joever!🔥
Except you were the one suggesting storming the apartments of those with police on their roofs like this was the fall of Berlin. He was talking about rooftop sniper fire.
They did? The NYT's just rushedly updating news as they go, so I might be wrong.
Yeah. Slam them with overtime too so they never see their families. Basically just make their lives so miserable that they quit the force on their own so the taxpayer doesn't have to pay benefits for them anymore.
NFL Commissioner apparently released a statement on behalf the NFL apologizing for not being supportive of the kneeling protests years ago.
And how do we prevent them from becoming cartel enforcers, extreme nationalist ‘FREEDOM’ gunners or -why not?- possibly both?
Let's see how many of them are still that active when they are outside their blue bubble with the coffee machine, outside their cars... and in the cold of working for their money
Lexicus
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Lock them up in the ICE camps
But people actually do sometimes become cartel enforcers after ‘la migra’ destroys their path to a legitimate livelihood.
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/09/04/colin-kaepernick-was-right-about-us/
Colin Kaepernick Was Right About Us
Colin Kaepernick was right about us, white America.
He was right to kneel because when he did, he fully exposed us.
He exposed us as we became viscerally disgusted, not by the reckless disregard of black lives, but by the earnest and open declaration of black grief at their premature passing.
He exposed us when we felt it was our right to tell another human being how to express their personal freedoms, during an anthem supposedly devoted to celebrating those personal freedoms.
He exposed us when we treasured flags and songs over flesh and blood; when we repeatedly ignored dissenting facts in order to hold on to our easy and lazy outrage.
He exposed us when we chose to listen to the words of a divisive white President over athletes of color, as to their motives and intentions.
He exposed us as we had the stratospheric nerve to lecture him about the right way for him to protest as a citizen of this country.
He exposed us when we chastised him for the manner in which he expressed his freedom, because it was a little too “free” for us.
He exposed us as we saw all of these things, and still remained silent.
And he’s exposing us now, those of us who are burning shoes and cutting up socks and boycotting Nike—because a strong man of color who will not be shamed into silence or allow us to make the rules, still makes our blood boil—which is the most telling and tragic truth of all.
Privilege is a terrible disease, because it is invisible to those most fully afflicted with it. When most deeply in the throes of the heart sickness, they cannot see themselves, or the reality of the moment. They do not require data to be disgusted or truth to craft the narrative of their suffering.
They simply feel fear, even when it is unfounded; oppression, even when there is none; offensive, even when they have no cause.
If you’re seething right now, this is a symptom.
If you’re still doubling down on some imagined defense of “America” while simultaneously seeking to deny people of color America’s most elemental liberties—you’re proving Colin Kaepernick right.
If you’re still refusing to believe the player’s voices over the one in your head or in a President’s tweets or in an angry country singer’s rants—you’re showing why Kaepernick was correct to protest from the very beginning.
You’re confirming the very reason his knee first hit the turf two-year ago: because too many white people want to go through life undisturbed by any reality of their advantages.
They will do anything not to be inconvenienced by the ugly realities of a system that they are the greatest beneficiaries of.
They will be profoundly pissed off when a person of color intrudes on their entertainment with a dose of sobering truth about life and death.
They will follow the most convoluted, nonsensical thought lines, if this allows them to quiet marginalized people and to evade culpability for their own prejudices toward those marginalized people.
It isn’t surprising that the folks so violently shaken by Colin Kaepernick, profess to defend a freedom they don’t like him exercising.
They’re the same ones saying that they love both America—and a draft-dodging, Russian-beholden, POW-belittling President.
They’re the same people who say they want to rewind and reclaim America’s “greatness”, while ignoring how much suffering and injustice that supposed greatness created for so many.
They’re the same people who claim allegiance to both Jesus and to Donald Trump.
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t register when you’re white and terrified of losing your dominance.
By kneeling, Colin Kaepernick let us do the work for him.
He didn’t need to belabor the point, he just let us show ourselves.
He allowed white America’s responses to reveal who we are.
He saw something ugly in us that we didn’t and still don’t want to see.
And he was right.
This was written by JOHN PAVLOVITZ... in 2018
Colin Kaepernick Was Right About Us
Colin Kaepernick was right about us, white America.
He was right to kneel because when he did, he fully exposed us.
He exposed us as we became viscerally disgusted, not by the reckless disregard of black lives, but by the earnest and open declaration of black grief at their premature passing.
He exposed us when we felt it was our right to tell another human being how to express their personal freedoms, during an anthem supposedly devoted to celebrating those personal freedoms.
He exposed us when we treasured flags and songs over flesh and blood; when we repeatedly ignored dissenting facts in order to hold on to our easy and lazy outrage.
He exposed us when we chose to listen to the words of a divisive white President over athletes of color, as to their motives and intentions.
He exposed us as we had the stratospheric nerve to lecture him about the right way for him to protest as a citizen of this country.
He exposed us when we chastised him for the manner in which he expressed his freedom, because it was a little too “free” for us.
He exposed us as we saw all of these things, and still remained silent.
And he’s exposing us now, those of us who are burning shoes and cutting up socks and boycotting Nike—because a strong man of color who will not be shamed into silence or allow us to make the rules, still makes our blood boil—which is the most telling and tragic truth of all.
Privilege is a terrible disease, because it is invisible to those most fully afflicted with it. When most deeply in the throes of the heart sickness, they cannot see themselves, or the reality of the moment. They do not require data to be disgusted or truth to craft the narrative of their suffering.
They simply feel fear, even when it is unfounded; oppression, even when there is none; offensive, even when they have no cause.
If you’re seething right now, this is a symptom.
If you’re still doubling down on some imagined defense of “America” while simultaneously seeking to deny people of color America’s most elemental liberties—you’re proving Colin Kaepernick right.
If you’re still refusing to believe the player’s voices over the one in your head or in a President’s tweets or in an angry country singer’s rants—you’re showing why Kaepernick was correct to protest from the very beginning.
You’re confirming the very reason his knee first hit the turf two-year ago: because too many white people want to go through life undisturbed by any reality of their advantages.
They will do anything not to be inconvenienced by the ugly realities of a system that they are the greatest beneficiaries of.
They will be profoundly pissed off when a person of color intrudes on their entertainment with a dose of sobering truth about life and death.
They will follow the most convoluted, nonsensical thought lines, if this allows them to quiet marginalized people and to evade culpability for their own prejudices toward those marginalized people.
It isn’t surprising that the folks so violently shaken by Colin Kaepernick, profess to defend a freedom they don’t like him exercising.
They’re the same ones saying that they love both America—and a draft-dodging, Russian-beholden, POW-belittling President.
They’re the same people who say they want to rewind and reclaim America’s “greatness”, while ignoring how much suffering and injustice that supposed greatness created for so many.
They’re the same people who claim allegiance to both Jesus and to Donald Trump.
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t register when you’re white and terrified of losing your dominance.
By kneeling, Colin Kaepernick let us do the work for him.
He didn’t need to belabor the point, he just let us show ourselves.
He allowed white America’s responses to reveal who we are.
He saw something ugly in us that we didn’t and still don’t want to see.
And he was right.
This was written by JOHN PAVLOVITZ... in 2018
All decisions are made personally and at the margin. Every single protestor is there with a goal of what they're trying to accomplish and a list of risks they're willing to undergo. There are many different goals. So, the trick is to use all the tools in the toolkit.
I'll reiterate another thing I've said, though. If someone is wearing a mask, they must be aware that they've lost the ability to emote. We use our own feedback from our face when trying to decide if we're sending the messages that we want to send. The last thing you want is to fail at a sincere attempt to communicate because you missed something obvious.
There's a super-famous photo of a girl putting a flower into the barrel of the rifle. That photo, and all its value, wouldn't have happened if there weren't a diversity of people each trying their own methods of making a difference. The photo of the 75 year old bleeding out of his ears will probably do more for the protest than if he'd succeeded if figuring out where to put the helmet. He tried a tactic, and it failed for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons he (and others) is probably not aware of.
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