[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[El_Machinae]

Still hard to comprehend how people can believe white nationalists or Russian agents are behind the violence. I've never seen Fox News or Republican governors promoting QAnon nuttery, but everyone somehow knows it's the right that promotes conspiracies.

*Behind*? No. "Fomenting" would be a different story.
We literally have seen distant intelligence services creating fake information and providing coordination for tension-raising activities.

It's deliberate. It's on your feed too. And the faster we forward those memes, the more effective they are. It's a very impressive tactic, if your goal is destruction.

The people providing any moral support for selfish or unclear violence aren't helping. "Understanding" is going to be different from "endorsing".

But thinking there aren't hostile forces that are turning the people-on-the-ground into disposable paws (and that you're not their target as well) is a bit of a DK error.

 

[red_elk]

White house has gone black?

 

[JohannaK]

That's what I was asking about on the previous page.

 

[Tiberiu]

America is what I would call a ***** firstworld country. My country, Romania, is rogue and corrupt, but at least the police hasn't been killing innocent population, at least until this year when we had a first case of brutal killing of a troubled young man.
It's disturbing to see how easily people at large write off the killing of innocent population by a corrupt and criminal organization that tries to defend their monopoly on the initiation of violence by calling it "legal". I hope those rioters burn everything to the ground, at least there's still hope for humanity.

Moderator Action: Do not evade the auto-censor. Thank you. ~ Arakhor

 

[zxcvbob]

Michael Brown. Trayvon Martin. Countless others, and all those murderers walked away scott free. It is too soon to say that Derek Chauvin has yet faced any real consequences.

There are plenty of good examples, but those 2 cases are not, in spite of what people think. (and Tamir Rice was only a slightly better example.) I gave a good one earlier; John Crawford. And there's Freddie Gray, Eric Garner... I'll think of some more. And a few of them were white.

 

[civvver]

2,800 complaints, 12 punishments, the harshest being 40 hour suspension. It is 100% safe to say if the riots werent happening, there would have been absolutely no consequences for an officer who had already had 17 incidents on his record and had been reprimanded only once.

I've been at my inlaws about an hour outside of Grand Rapids for the weekend. I'm completely shocked there were riots in Grand Rapids MI. It's known as a middle class kind of quiet small town with a nice downtown. My inlaws took it pretty hard that there was rioting and property damage and think the rioters should all be arrested and charged. However I agree with you, that the next time a cop does something awful maybe the mayors and governors will remember the rioting and push for actual justice.

I don't condone violence but nothing else is really working. You can vote some of them out but it takes a long time for election cycles. Mayors don't want their downtowns trashed. Maybe this will stick in their minds for a while.

As far as the 3rd degree murder charge, I think they want to make sure the case is a slam dunk that's all. If he gets 25 years, which he should, he won't get out until he's 69 anyway, his life is over. I just hope the judge has the balls to do the right sentencing.

 

[REDY]

America is what I would call a s.h.i.t.h.o.l.e firstworld country. My country, Romania, is rogue and corrupt, but at least the police hasn't been killing innocent population, at least until this year when we had a first case of brutal killing of a troubled young man.
It's disturbing to see how easily people at large write off the killing of innocent population by a corrupt and criminal organization that tries to defend their monopoly on the initiation of violence by calling it "legal". I hope those rioters burn everything to the ground, at least there's still hope for humanity.

What that policeman did was awful. I think that quality of people in American and Romanian (or Czech) police is generally same but they are in different environment. There is much stronger mutual respect, people do what they are asked to do and policemen are much more respectful, there is much less guns so less dangerous situations, people are easily identified -, thieves and looters are just jailed immediately and so on. I am quite sure that some American neighbourhoods are about the same but probably the problem is thats not that diverse ones. It would be maybe good if in such cases there would be always someone who would be able to calm down situation. I almost do not see black policemen on the videos.

 

[Farm Boy]

I hope those rioters burn everything to the ground, at least there's still hope for humanity.

This like this El?

Or just a random hoping for fap material on the evening news?

 

[zxcvbob]

If qualified immunity were stripped away from the police, a lot of problems would resolve themselves. I know immunity is an important tool to prevent nuisance lawsuits, but they've abused the tool so it should be taken away.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

So did Trump really did instigate 'White Supremacist' movement that in the end there's now white mobs armed with guns, crossbows and bows.
If he did, it is what my people said 'To throw oil into fire.'

 

[EgonSpengler]

Michael Brown. Trayvon Martin. Countless others, and all those murderers walked away scott free. It is too soon to say that Derek Chauvin has yet faced any real consequences.

And while he's lost his job, we can't assume that he's lost his ability to work as a police officer. If he's acquitted/exonerated, he could be hired by somebody else.

The guy who killed Tamir Rice (perhaps I should say twelve-year-old Tamir Rice, just to emphasize how totally f'd up our law enforcement is, that it kills children playing with toys) had previously been let go by another police department for being unfit for the job. When Cleveland hired him, they never bothered to check his references. Obviously Derek Chauvin is a public face and name now, so that could make a difference in his specific case, but one wonders how many other officers with work histories filled to brimming with complaints just transfer to a different department (possibly within the same general area, like moving from a city force to a county force or sheriff's department). I'm reminded of the Catholic Church's mishandling of complaints, when they simply reassigned a problematic priest to a different parish.

 

[zxcvbob]

So did Trump really did instigate 'White Supremacist' movement that in the end there's now white mobs armed with guns, crossbows and bows.
If he did, it is what my people said 'To throw oil into fire.'

I'm not sure what you're asking. President Trump is a populist and a nationalist. (President Obama was a populist and a globalist) The white supremacists are nationalists too; they have been around for a long time but IMHO they have been emboldened by Trump's nationalism even though it's a different brand. I don't think Trump is much of a racist at all; I think he is remarkably non-racist for a man of his generation. If you scratch deep enough, there's probably a little racism there. If you scratch any of us deep enough you'll find tribalism, just different kinds.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And while he's lost his job, we can't assume that he's lost his ability to work as a police officer. If he's acquitted/exonerated, he could be hired by somebody else.

The guy who killed Tamir Rice (perhaps I should say twelve-year-old Tamir Rice, just to emphasize how totally f'd up our law enforcement is, that it kills children playing with toys) had previously been let go by another police department for being unfit for the job. When Cleveland hired him, they never bothered to check his references. Obviously Derek Chauvin is a public face and name now, so that could make a difference in his specific case, but one wonders how many other officers with work histories filled to brimming with complaints just transfer to a different department (possibly within the same general area, like moving from a city force to a county force or sheriff's department). I'm reminded of the Catholic Church's mishandling of complaints, when they simply reassigned a problematic priest to a different parish.

This is what will happen, he'll be re-hired because the cops look after their own.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

I'm not sure what you're asking. President Trump is a populist and a nationalist. (President Obama was a populist and a globalist) The white supremacists are nationalists too; they have been around for a long time but IMHO they have been emboldened by Trump's nationalism even though it's a different brand. I don't think Trump is much of a racist at all; I think he is remarkably non-racist for a man of his generation. If you scratch deep enough, there's probably a little racism there. If you scratch any of us deep enough you'll find tribalism, just different kinds.

OF course racism (And reactions) exists throughout History and happens everywhere. I'm not really quite sure if Trump really provoke racial tensions that eventually ended up with massive riots. the biggest since 1992. but a friend of mine in Facebook posted that Trump did. and "George Flyod Incident" became a powder keg.

 

[AmazonQueen]

And while he's lost his job, we can't assume that he's lost his ability to work as a police officer. If he's acquitted/exonerated, he could be hired by somebody else.

The guy who killed Tamir Rice (perhaps I should say twelve-year-old Tamir Rice, just to emphasize how totally f'd up our law enforcement is, that it kills children playing with toys) had previously been let go by another police department for being unfit for the job. When Cleveland hired him, they never bothered to check his references. Obviously Derek Chauvin is a public face and name now, so that could make a difference in his specific case, but one wonders how many other officers with work histories filled to brimming with complaints just transfer to a different department (possibly within the same general area, like moving from a city force to a county force or sheriff's department). I'm reminded of the Catholic Church's mishandling of complaints, when they simply reassigned a problematic priest to a different parish.

Theres even a phrase for it, "gypsy cop".

 

[Bamspeedy]

I think I just heard someone on the radio say that 6% of the Minneapolis police force live in Minneapolis. Not sixty. Six.

I also found this article, from 6 years ago, while Googling for anything about the demographic makeup of the Minneapolis PD.

[Minneapolis] Star Tribune - "Minneapolis police struggle to hire diverse force" - August 19, 2014

Are there any police departments that exactly match the demographics of the area? Looking at Minneapolis demograhics, white police make up 15% more than their share of general population, Asians the same as their share of the population, blacks and Latinos about half. Is this different than elsewhere? Do nearly all police departments see similar disparities for a variety of reasons, (intentional or otherwise), or is this unique to Minneapolis?

Funny how "out of area" for police is anything outside the Minneapolis city limits, but for protesters "out of area" doesn't just mean out of the metropolitan area, but the entire state. Same thing has been done in other cases.

 

[Farm Boy]

Hiring is a constant problem. It's not an aspirational career, the better university programs don't seem to be doing well. Hiring Hispanic and Black officers doubly difficult. Hispanic hiring is just starting to tick up, but it's hard to track because the lines for Hispanic and white blur so readily. At least they do out in the sticks. Maybe there are clearer lines in the burbs or something. Usually goes by monolingual English, monoligual Spanish, and bilingual?

 

[El_Machinae]

You want him re-hired in a position that is well-paying so that the civil lawsuit can draw upon some earnings. His wife was smart to divorce him, so that her share of the shared assets are protected.

 

[innonimatu]

Dude that's some creepy sh*t. And proof no doubt that the government is creating robot accounts to create a propaganda counternarrative. Reminds my of a movie where the U.S. is secretly run by evil robots, but the robots create deep fakes and false media stories to fool the populace into believing the are ruled by real flesh and blood politicians and even go so far as to fake entire campaign rallies and political events.

Of course they do propaganda. And people happily fall for it most of the time. Seen it here, again and again, with wars for "freedom". With lies from intelligence agency heads being accepted and defended because they happened to be politically convenient. You reap what you sow after having backed and thus encouraged those people. Os course they turn their tools inward too. Haven't been done so to manufacture consent, weren't the restrictions on even domestic propaganda lifted?

If you don't what that propaganda monstrosity in action, don't even allow it to be created. Or dismantle it fully. Else it must be used inside the country, not just outside.

 

[Broken_Erika]

President Trump tells state governors they must "dominate" protests and calls on law enforcement to get "much tougher"

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-52876499