[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Commodore]

I don't know, many of the privilege-libs who got involved because it looks good to care about social justice are now really truly emotionally invested and passionate about it because they went from innocent inexperienced 'ally' to a member of the police brutality victim demo.

in other words, take your average white person -> protests -> gets maced or shot for no reason -> radicalized

I wouldn't even call them radicalized. I think it's more Americans realizing that this is supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave and that they have to start proving themselves worthy of those titles. After all, you can't really call yourself free and brave if you just bow down to government thugs every time they launch a little tear gas your way.

 

[aelf]

But what change will there ultimately be if conservatives are going to just vote in the same type of leaders who create the mess to begin with? You gotta stop being held hostage by the red states, and I can't imagine a way in the near future without some quick demographic changes.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I genuinely thought it couldn't happen here, and that buying body armor was incredibly dumb, just last month. moreso in 'americans too apathetic and cush to meaningfully do anything about it' than the police state itself, but still. how quickly the world turns.

3 months ago I made the prediction that America would either slide into civil war or into eternal sedation. I underestimated the population, I really thought it was going to slide downhill after Bernie got robbed and result in even more passivity. I was also hugely disappointed with what was going on at the time in general politics, and I think the people have chosen the one and only correct path here, the path of resistance. As terrible as all of this is, I think it was long overdue. I hope that much good will come from it, and that others will take notice.

For the first time in years, I feel kind of proud and moved about the American people. Something has been reignited that was simply slumbering for far too long. I have tremendous respect for all the people putting their lives on the line, resisting their oppressors. I get the feeling a lot of people see a kindred spirit in the American protestor, and I can say pretty safely that we're all watching, both in terror and in awe.

 

[Commodore]

3 months ago I made the prediction that America would either slide into civil war or into eternal sedation. I underestimated the population, I really thought it was going to slide downhill after Bernie got robbed and result in even more passivity. I was also hugely disappointed with what was going on at the time in general politics, and I think the people have chosen the one and only correct path here, the path of resistance. As terrible as all of this is, I think it was long overdue. I hope that much good will come from it, and that others will take notice.

For the first time in years, I feel kind of proud and moved about the American people. Something has been reignited that was simply slumbering for far too long. I have tremendous respect for all the people putting their lives on the line, resisting their oppressors. I get the feeling a lot of people see a kindred spirit in the American protestor, and I can say pretty safely that we're all watching, both in terror and in awe.

All that remains to be seen is whether or not the people have the resolve to see this through to its end, whatever that end turns out to be.

 

[amadeus]

I really thought it was going to slide downhill after Bernie got robbed and result in even more passivity.

How did he get robbed? He lost the election. Even if every Warren voter had voted Sanders, he’d still be behind Biden by 2,500,000 votes.

 

[Farm Boy]

Age of Spin.

 

[H4run]

But what change will there ultimately be if conservatives are going to just vote in the same type of leaders who create the mess to begin with? You gotta stop being held hostage by the red states, and I can't imagine a way in the near future without some quick demographic changes.

I think movement is a process of taking a step. The nearest step is making the regime complied on arresting 4 of the officer and revolutionized the police as institution. If that is met with further crack down the demand would be increase, perhaps until it demand the current regime to be toppled, if that also answer with further violent crack down, and that and only that the door to civil war is open. This is what happened in Syria.

Take for instance in Turkey during Gezi park, and at that time I went to Taksim everyday (for a reason, not demonstrating) I witness how the demonstration start from the demand not to alter the gezi park, till it culminated on demanding the government to be toppled, even though the demand was failed, but the movement was massive because the crack down pretty much feeds the movement to become fatter and bigger.

 

[Joij21]

I think too many people think this is going to be successful. Last night the violence has died down. There may have been a few scuffles but its no longer what it was a few days ago when everything was on fire. I mean it looked like Vikings were sacking all of America, but now? Nothing. Which only proves that once the cops started getting more aggressive most of the people dispersed. Even the people that didn't disperse were now not looting anymore. So it just goes to show that the protesters are only serious when the police give them a whole block to burn undefended. Plus shop owners across the country are now defending their stores with firearms, and the larger stores with more money are even paying for private security mercenaries to defend the rooftops with assault rifles. Again I don't think the protesters have the balls to go up against all that, hence the decrease of rioting last night. They seem to only loot, and only easy targets at that. Put it simple, it seems they may have never had a cause to begin with.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I think too many people think this is going to be successful. Last night the violence has died down. There may have been a few scuffles but its no longer what it was a few days ago when everything was on fire. I mean it looked like Vikings were sacking all of America, but now? Nothing. Which only proves that once the cops started getting more aggressive most of the people dispersed. Even the people that didn't disperse were now not looting anymore. So it just goes to show that the protesters are only serious when the police give them a whole block to burn undefended. Plus shop owners across the country are now defending their stores with firearms, and the larger stores with more money are even paying for private security mercenaries to defend the rooftops with assault rifles. Again I don't think the protesters have the balls to go up against all that, hence the decrease of rioting last night. They seem to only loot, and only easy targets at that. Put it simple, it seems they may have never had a cause to begin with.

Or maybe the protesters and the looters weren't identical groups,
The protests have continued.

 

[H4run]

I think too many people think this is going to be successful. Last night the violence has died down. There may have been a few scuffles but its no longer what it was a few days ago when everything was on fire. I mean it looked like Vikings were sacking all of America, but now? Nothing. Which only proves that once the cops started getting more aggressive most of the people dispersed.

Actually when I see some of the protester are dispersed in smaller group to avoid police crack down and violence, I really shake my head, it's the blunder and mistake of the police that will feed the movement. Instead of avoiding it they should instead prove it, allowing/encouraging the opponent to make a mistake.

When they focus on not trying to anger the police or avoiding the crack-down, the whole notion on challenging the corrupted institution is negated, they shouldn't let the police aggression to dictate their movement.

 

[Farm Boy]

Or maybe the protesters and the looters weren't identical groups,
The protests have continued.

Dear lord, thank you.

 

[aelf]

I think movement is a process of taking a step. The nearest step is making the regime complied on arresting 4 of the officer and revolutionized the police as institution.

That nearest step may be achievable, but this is a process that will keep repeating itself until today's conservatism becomes a spent force. Then real change can start to happen.

 

[Estebonrober]

I think too many people think this is going to be successful. Last night the violence has died down. There may have been a few scuffles but its no longer what it was a few days ago when everything was on fire. I mean it looked like Vikings were sacking all of America, but now? Nothing. Which only proves that once the cops started getting more aggressive most of the people dispersed. Even the people that didn't disperse were now not looting anymore. So it just goes to show that the protesters are only serious when the police give them a whole block to burn undefended. Plus shop owners across the country are now defending their stores with firearms, and the larger stores with more money are even paying for private security mercenaries to defend the rooftops with assault rifles. Again I don't think the protesters have the balls to go up against all that, hence the decrease of rioting last night. They seem to only loot, and only easy targets at that. Put it simple, it seems they may have never had a cause to begin with.

Yea I have to disagree with this, I will always look back at the demolition of the 3rd precinct building as a great success but most of the looting as criminal. The violence needs to be directed

 

[Commodore]

Actually when I see some of the protester are dispersed in smaller group to avoid police crack down and violence, I really shake my head, it's the blunder and mistake of the police that will feed the movement. Instead of avoiding it they should instead prove it, allowing/encouraging the opponent to make a mistake.

To be fair these are everyday civilians doing this and having the discipline to "hold the line" in the face of violent and possibly lethal aggression is something that takes quite a bit of training and mental conditioning to do.

 

[H4run]

To be fair these are everyday civilians doing this and having the discipline to "hold the line" in the face of violent and possibly lethal aggression is something that takes quite a bit of training and mental conditioning to do.

Really man, I really respect your dedication for the cause but that kind of mentality is counter productive. Few dedicated youth in the front-line is the one who will bring the cause to success.

 

[Commodore]

Really man, I really respect your dedication for the cause but that kind of mentality is counter productive. Few dedicated youth in the front-line is the one who will bring the cause to success.

Of course. I'm just saying you can't judge the protestors too harshly when they break and run when the police start getting physical.

 

[AmazonQueen]

To be fair these are everyday civilians doing this and having the discipline to "hold the line" in the face of violent and possibly lethal aggression is something that takes quite a bit of training and mental conditioning to do.

I've been on a few demos and riot police or mounted police can be pretty intimidating especially for a crowd that includes families etc.
I don't think we can expect protesters to take on police or the military. Most revolutions have only succeeded when even the police and military no longer back the government.

 

[H4run]

Of course. I'm just saying you can't judge the protestors too harshly when they break and run when the police start getting physical.

Don't know. Back in Turkey if I remember correctly the police ending up avoiding clash with the protester while the protester seeking to escalates the conflict/cause further, they learn the initial crack down was a total stupidity, the police remain passive until people losing their fuel and dispersed.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I learned something new today: Like "Blood and soil" and "America first" before it, "When the looting starts, the shooting starts" isn't just some pithy, macho line that somebody - our so-called President, in this case - made up the other day. According to Wikipedia, the quote is attributed to former Miami Chief of Police Walter Headly in '67 or '68, although a professor at Howard University thinks Headly may have heard it from infamous Birmingham police chief "Bull" Connor. So. Yeah. Racist af.

 

[Joij21]

Though I mean honestly guys. Do they really look that organized at night when they riot? They are not focused, looting shops instead of government buildings. Many of their leaders have also been arrested for what they have posted on social media. So once the rabble rousers guiding them are behind bars the aggressive part of the movement will die. Then it will be just a normal peaceful protest that will go on until the media cycle changes. Like once something else more crazy (like little Kimmy acting up again) happens elsewhere and unrelated, the media will turn their heads away like squirrels. Then the nation focuses on that instead and the protests are forgotten.