[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Modder_Mode]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

The poster was created in 2003. Not on display in the museum, but sold in gift shop.

Well that debunks my origin of the photo/poster theory, I'm happy to stand corrected.

Non the less it's still being used disingenuously for the purposes I stated.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Why the hell are you guys still bothering to talk to hardcore conservatives?

There is honestly no point

 

[Samson]

How much of those settlements were for out-of-court settlements that allowed the police officers involved to continue serving and police departments to avoid admitting what had happened?

No numbers are given, but it says "some of the nation’s largest cities have a history of keeping officers on the force even when their conduct has resulted in many lawsuits", and explains it "police almost never pay the settlements out of pocket — instead, the money comes from cities or police departments, and often in ways that don’t put financial strain on police departments".

 

[r16]

just off the bank , and to the attention of the general manager person in Ankara , now that you will hear about it anyhow .

am most used to wait in banks as Capitalism loves people with money and credit card holders pass it through the ticket machine and they are given faster service . Actually makes sense even , efficiencies and all . Then it is virus days and they can't let their "valuable" customers catch stuff so everybody waits outside . Oh-kay . We make some line , ı talk with people , who was before me , who came later than me , some guy was waiting in the shade , some woman waiting out for social distancing , all agreed , no problem . The security guy of course lets the moneyed class or people he knows in without protocol , also okey with that because that's how Capitalism works , it is the complaints of people of no means which get ignored and he would be fired . Then the guy after me (and ı was walking in the street because social distancing) sneaked before the two persons ahead of me , as would the couple after him because they are going straight to the cashiers desk . Well , so was ı , after a spat on why he wasn't just giving those tickets from the number machine already . Orders from Ankara (because tickets are paper and they cost money) . And yes , am pretty sure his terminal is connected to the cashiers because she told me she couldn't take my money , because it was not yet the time . Just 20 seconds after the bank manager was telling the couple after/before me that they were always following the rules , always the right and correct thing . Because the numbers and the laws and Capitalism make them right .

manager in Ankara ? You wouldn't be there if you weren't a stoogee of New Turkey , so am not asking you to make your employees treat people nice or any nonsense like that . lt's only that their names should be put on marble as heroes as they will be in the pantheon of heroes and ı will personally place that marble plaque in the Parthenon in Athens after we invade the place , so nobody should be like lecturing me on how repressive the modern world is , mm-kay ? Rush this to New Turkey media even , it will fill 3 hours of the news cycle in itself ...

 

[Estebonrober]

DEFUND POLICE!!

well things going crazy in USA, I wonder do you guys really want mob to replace police ?
ahhh so sad that Im not in USA, could get so much free stuff

the police is the mob

 

[Commodore]

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Just the joint chiefs reminding the hierarchy about obeying lawful orders and upholding the constitutional values of equal treatment and free speech and assembly. No biggie.

Yeah, that letter sums it up pretty well. The military's loyalty lies with the nation, its people, and its Constitution not its government.

 

[Estebonrober]

What are you trying to demonstrate here?

Man has pregnant wife in a car, man has stopped his car, the cops have mysteriously shot at just his car whilst other cars come and go free of duress, he abuses police, is told several times to move along, tells them he's not going anywhere, then asks them to shoot it again, then acts totally shocked when they shoot it again?

the police is the mob they've lost all moral authority. we jsut watched weeks of people yelling at police at protests with no action, now we see nothing but continuous violence at the same actions. wonder why

 

[Modder_Mode]

the police is the mob they've lost all moral authority. we jsut watched weeks of people yelling at police at protests with no action, now we see nothing but continuous violence at the same actions. wonder why

I've see some of the videos posted here and I will agree that some of them are very questionable on police brutality and the legal implications that surround it, but I'm not seeing a mob mentality here, I just don't see it.

How are you defining "mob" here, in what context exactly and are you saying all police are part of this mob? I've seen some gracious deeds by a lot of police who have tried to distance themselves from what was done in Minneapolis.

 

[EnglishEdward]

ı will personally place that marble plaque in the Parthenon in Athens after we invade the place ,

As a matter of interest I wonder when you intend to invade Athens?

 

[red_elk]

Some fascists drew from peoples as diverse as Bergson, Dostoyevski, Darwin, etc.

Well, the list mentions obsession with Dostoyevski's "Crime and Punishment" as one of the signs...

 

[r16]

As a matter of interest I wonder when you intend to invade Athens?

as a matter of fact it was like in 2009 that ı was told ı would be the Starfleet Admiral to command the reduction of the planet , not to ashes , but a better place but it had to be a fair thing . To that end ı gotta told the world ı would use anti-matter bombs , much greener than many things Americans using around these days . But as am only human it meant additional measures like ta da , the Dreamcaster who uses wishy wishy tech to check me down to subconcious , because when ı say off with turbolazers they will just start firing , them my crews in my starships . Accordingly the timetable is like depends but trust me , you will be able to tell .

or as an other explanation it will be simultaneous with people in London very loudly complaining that it was the fault of their major companies and their trolls who blocked me on elsewhere and stuff for mentioning the conduct was poor and Trump giving this country to Theresa May as a colony to compensate for the initial Brexit losses was not going to work . And yes , am going to rub the silly story of 120 to 140 Spitfires buried in crates in Burma in faces . And yes , am not exactly in favour in these days with people whom ı in all probability trying to stop from jumping off the cliff .

 

[EnglishEdward]

You are a text generating AI?

 

[civvver]

I don't know what relevance this has on the quoted article, it kinda seems like a leading question. Could you clarify?

Some people I talked to, just like family and friends, said the knee on the neck was like a sleeper hold that cut off his artery. I'm wondering if the conclusion of asphyxiation contradicts that or not. Not for any particular reason, just wondering if they are correct.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

That may well be, but it’s main purpose is not to educate but to agitate, make you angry and willing to do what cloud wants you to.

do you think he wrote it or something? lmao

The list in the photo/poster does actually contain some fascist attributes, but it's the deceiving factor of adding the other "attributes" to link fascism to Donald Trump.

I did post that he probably is guilty of some of it, that I made pretty obvious. My guess is that this photo/poster comes from some left leaning group or individual other than some rightist movement as you put it.

I did see that, actually, so I don't really disagree. It is political propaganda for sure, either way.

Also, I never implied that the picture came from rightists, I just denied your claim that only people on the left critisize Trump or call him a fascist. plenty of enlightened centrists, fencesitters, libertarians, christians and conservatives have done that.

It comes from the US Holocaust musuem, now i could be wrong here but im sure it predates trump's presidency.

very interesting, thanks for the reply. I have almost never seen a US president called fascist (or the USA described as fascist) before Trump, actually. if this picture predates Trump (that's what ti looks like) that means Modder_Mode's speculations were completely wrong (as were mine, I thought it was supposed to be coined towards Trump as well).

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/holocaust-museum-warning-signs-fascism/

The poster was created in 2003. Not on display in the museum, but sold in gift shop.

The more you think about it, the more of it also applies to Bush's "war on Terror" regime and the general decline of "civilian" rights in the US since then.

Why the hell are you guys still bothering to talk to hardcore conservatives?

why not? if I only talk to people who share my views on politics, how will I ever get a holistic understanding of it? for the same reason I tend to talk to conspiracy theorists, extremists, and apathetic people about politics as well.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

You are a text generating AI?

How have you been here so long yet do not know the legendary r16?

 

[r16]

am a champion of off topic in any thread where-ever ı am .

Spoiler :

say , been banned in places where ı had the fortune of having taken a spare account . They know me , lP numbers and all but can't ban me , because people from their capitals , you know , all those dark suits , told them ı was entirely harmless and not to be done anything unless ı do something and me lurking and randomly reading threads is not a thing . To let them ban me , and live happily after . Because why not !!!!? Where the Spits come in , because ı know people online and there are not that many people to have known them and be happy about it . Which concerns nobody in CFC . But you see , there was a real life British farmer guy who just wanted to have a Spitfire of his own . Born at a wrong time , because it might have been just possible for him to get one as scrap or whatever and hide it in his barn until the time he could get to fly it if he was around in the end of WW ll . Like hundreds of Spits around these days and they are all rather expensive . And the farmer hears of a rumour that RAF was in Burma in '45 and they buried one or two instead of seeing them reduced to scrap . He finally had a donation campaign in his name to fund a search trip to Myanmar . At a time when New Turkey was conquering the galaxy because they are the only real thing , and as a lark London ordered some contribution , because you know everybody loves to kick the fallen and London owns Qatar ... Did ı say the oldies were harsh and tough ? So , finally the British Prime Minister was induced to chime in to say that there were hundreds of Spits buried there and huge profits to have , you know , only for the cost of expedition . Escalation does not scare people who know things about Spitfires experts would never discover ... Always can explain myself , you see .

and then the overblown r16 style . Me threatening Greece will only result in New Turkey defending Greece , so can't exactly tell why that might have been an interest . Maybe it is these airs of been there , done that ? Mattis would never be in this thread and accept that he sat around a figurative campfire sometime in the past . General Flynn was the first ever casualty of the Trump Administration , not because of Russia but had taken New Turkey money already , even before he set a foot into the White House . General Petraus was a casualty of Obama times , because he found a woman willing and all the morality went out right away . Mattis himself served a fool for vanity because he liked the job . lmagine , he could have slapped the orange fool and fixed the US at once . Mattis held out as long as he could , because he WAS da man to guide Trump into doing the correct thingz . That we were to be done away , because so many failures and somehow everything inferred that night becoming to the US (and its fightingest warfighters) in proper order ? That Trump could have been telling lies and the murderer cop walking away with a slap on the wrist as usual but does not even bother . lnstead , he tells how he gloriously fired Mattis !

Mattis to accept this in this very thread ? He would rather shoot himself .

never ask anyone to believe me , too .

 

[red_elk]

The list seems just a random collection of negative "undemocratic" traits.
Fascism there can be replaced with ultra-conservatism or religious fundamentalism without losing much.

 

[Gorbles]

Some people I talked to, just like family and friends, said the knee on the neck was like a sleeper hold that cut off his artery. I'm wondering if the conclusion of asphyxiation contradicts that or not. Not for any particular reason, just wondering if they are correct.

I think it does, yeah. I mean maybe both were factors, but he was obviously conscious for a time struggling to breath (as per words spoken by the victim), I'm not sure it was necessarily a sleeper hold that took effect (over anything else).

 

[H4run]

You are a text generating AI?

If off topic is some sort of artificial park, then r16 is its voice of nature, some sort of ambient that sets the mood.

 

[Inhalaattori]

Why the hell are you guys still bothering to talk to hardcore conservatives?

So basically "Why talk to people who disagree with you?" Isnt that the whole point. Doesnt it make less sense to talk to people who agree with you on everything. Maybe you just dont like to be challenged?

These American social justice movements like BLM are not even based on reality. The movement is based largely on feelings and anti-whiteness among Africa-Americans. Making African-Americans as some kind of super victims of the world is ridiculous. From global perspective they are privileged group of people like all Americans. In the end American wealth is based on de facto slave labor in poor countries and China, but very few talks about it because its not happening in America. Just like killing civilians is fine as long as the people killed are killed in foreign countries. Its also ok to support terrorist like Osama Bin Laden and dictators like Saddam Hussein in foreign countries. Both were created and supported by USA. Saddam was "good guy" when he was gassing Kurdish civilians and Iranians. Osama was "good guy" when he was fighting against Soviets. But when they turn against their master they became evil and must be eliminated. Its also ok to support Saudi-Arabia who stones people for witchcraft and treats non-muslims as second class citizens. But when police officer kills black man in USA Americans suddenly stand for human rights. Yeah right.

From American perspective Gang violence and mass shootings are bigger problems for all Americans and minorities. Police in America do kill lot of people and some are unarmed. Most of these people killed are white. Police brutality is problem but making it just race issue is rather weird based on facts. The real reason why these kind of organizations like BLM are so popular is that white people have self hate and on the other hand African-Americans dont like white people that much. Its so easy. Everyone knows who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. BLM is basically running on White guilt.

Income equality is clearly the biggest problem in todays world and especially in USA no matter what race people are. It is totally ridiculous how richest 0,1% has so tremendous wealth and they are becoming even richer when at the same time working class / middle class is suffering. Socialist policies would actually solve many American problems. Talk about some vague "racism" is totally useless in the long run. Its basically deception tactics. Talking about "racism" is easy and people in power love that when at the same time they get richer and poor became poorer. Occupy Wall Street was a movement that was based on something fundamental in American society. As long as Democrats and Republicans are working for companies instead of people there is no possibility for income equality. That is the real issue. Getting money out of politics is the solution.

Im not hardcore conservative. Im also not fan of Trump. I just like facts, statistics, science etc. I dont support social justice movements that are based on half-truths or marginal issues.