Global warming strikes again...

[Lexicus]

They are both wrong, stupidly so, but the second is more trite, hence slightly more annoying.

J

Classic J, no substance whatsoever
Why, specifically, is it "wrong" to say we need to get rid of fossil fuels?

 

[onejayhawk]

Classic J, no substance whatsoever
Why, specifically, is it "wrong" to say we need to get rid of fossil fuels?

Is it wrong? What relevance does it have to me? I never made such a claim.

J

 

[Lexicus]

Well you've done it
You've achieved Peak J
Congratulations, I guess

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

I get tired of the incessant calls to eliminate fossil fuels in the next ten years. Even more tiring are the annual, "It's cold so global warming is bunk." posts.

J

They are both wrong, stupidly so, but the second is more trite, hence slightly more annoying.

J

Is it wrong? What relevance does it have to me? I never made such a claim.

J

A story in 3 parts.

 

[onejayhawk]

A story in 3 parts.

Exactly. I did not say there was no need to eliminate fossil fuels. I said there were constant calls for ridiculous amounts of haste.

Well you've done it
You've achieved Peak J
Congratulations, I guess

Thank you. It's good you acknowledge the win.

Please read more carefully next time.

J

 

[stfoskey12]

I think civ that we will know this winter or next spring. If La Nina kicks in full bore on top of everything else and we don't get colder than ...something really cold, then what? That said, if it does get really cold then the AGW crowd is going to say that its because of global warming and then we'll see if the last brain cell in the faithful has gone on to happy hippie land or whether reality will dawn and then the most vociferous among them will hate us for being right.

The winters of 2013-14 and 2014-15 were cold across much of the U.S. but that doesn't mean global warming wasn't happening. Why would this winter/spring be any different?

 

[FriendlyFire]

Dont worry TRUMP says globe warming is a Hoax by China.

It’s likely Earth’s hottest year on record — and some people are talking about global cooling

It has begun.

As a powerful El Niño event, one that helped push the planet to some of its warmest temperatures on record, fades away, some voices are now heralding a new bout of sudden planetary cooling. It started last week with an article in The Mail on Sunday, and then rippled to a Breitbart article that itself received a tweet from the House Science Committee.

And if past debates over the planet’s temperature are any guide, this could just be the beginning.

The original Mail on Sunday article, by David Rose, asserted that “global average temperatures over land have plummeted by more than 1C since the middle of this year – their biggest and steepest fall on record.” The assertion, the article said, was based on measurements of the planet’s atmosphere by satellites – and moreover, measurements that were taken “over land,” thus excluding the planet’s oceans. Breitbart then said (in its headline) that this temperature “plunge” had been met by “icy silence from climate alarmists.” “The last three years may eventually come to be seen as the final death rattle of the global warming scare,” argued author James Delingpole.

“The temperature before the 2015-2016 event was much warmer than the temperatures before the 97-98 event,” says Mears. “This means that the assertion that global warming did not play a part in the record warmth is not correct. The 2015-2016 El Nino started from a higher ‘platform,’ so it was much easier for to produce a record. ”

“The past 18 months have shattered global temperature records,” adds Ed Hawkins, a climate researcher at the University of Reading in the UK. “The dominant cause is the long-term increase in temperatures due to human activities but global temperatures in individual years and months also fluctuate due to weather patterns and factors such as El Niño.”

“We expect global temperatures to drop slightly as El Niño events fade, so it is unlikely that 2017 will set new records, but it will still be one of the warmest years since records began,” Hawkins continued.

Such statements are unlikely to persuade those who believe a dip in temperatures heralds a more permanent turn.

“This strategy will work for the next 200 years, even after there are palm trees, pineapple groves, and alligators in Alaska,” explains Stephan Lewandowsky, a psychology professor at the University of Bristol in the U.K. who has published on the errors of statistical reasoning lurking behind in claims of the global warming ‘slowdown’ or ‘pause’ genre.

“Random variation will never cease and it can always be exploited by political operatives. Scientists, by contrast, consider all the evidence, and when they do, then the fact that the Earth is warming appears virtually incontrovertible.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...talking-about-cooling/?utm_term=.a5978f541af7

 

[CavLancer]

ah, CavLancer,
you play the shifting goal-posts, the anectodal evidence, the too-little-time-too-much-effort and the reversal of burden of proof games admirably well.
However, any sane person can see through that gamble all too easily

Eh...what?

 

[carlosMM]

http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/2016/12/06/another-smoking-gun-earths-thermostat-going-haywire/

Interesting way to look at evidence for temperature change. Mind you: when a trend goes up a while, the turns stable, the number of new records should drop quickly. Ain't seeing much of that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

http://blogs.agu.org/wildwildscience/2016/12/06/another-smoking-gun-earths-thermostat-going-haywire/

Interesting way to look at evidence for temperature change. Mind you: when a trend goes up a while, the turns stable, the number of new records should drop quickly. Ain't seeing much of that.

I like the first sentence in that article

 

[onejayhawk]

I like the first sentence in that article

I like the last one.

J

 

[CavLancer]

Jay, climate consists of weather in vast quantities. I propose that this winter next spring will bring us, while not enough to be technically called climate, plenty to convince reasonable folks...of which there may still be a few here lurking.

 

[El_Machinae]

And yes, CO2 remains a greenhouse gas that operates according to known physics. The heat has to go somewhere.

 

[Berzerker]

aside from cataclysmic fluctuations past co2 increases accompanied naturally warmer worlds with more life, if our world should be cooling then more co2 might slow or temporarily reverse the trend

 

[CavLancer]

The winters of 2013-14 and 2014-15 were cold across much of the U.S. but that doesn't mean global warming wasn't happening. Why would this winter/spring be any different?

Everything is set to cold. The sun has further shut down its sunspots which mean less solar magnetism, that means less energy hitting Earth, and theoretically more cloud cover, and therefore increased reflection of what energy there is. That in itself is fairly profound. Then you mix in the the cold phase of the Pacific while its going through La Nina, and there's a lot of cold right there. Throw in the ADO, the Atlantic in cold phase, and yeah, it should be cold this year.

 

[CavLancer]

And yes, CO2 remains a greenhouse gas that operates according to known physics. The heat has to go somewhere.

Up?

 

[CavLancer]

If you thought it was chilly last week in the central and eastern US, just wait until next. Europe cold too. Just the start.

 

[Hygro]

climate consists of weather in vast quantities.

Physics consists of quantum physics in vast quantities.
Macroeconomics consists of microeconomics in vast quantities.

It can be true while not scaling the way you would imagine looking at the small scale.

 

[Archbob]

Co2 doesn't dissipate that quickly. We know it traps thermal heat trying to escape back into space and that Global temperature have always flutuated with Co2 through earth history. We also know how Co2 actually works. I don't see what the debate is about really. I mean there really isn't one in scientific circles but there is one in the general public due to not understanding thermodynamics and physics.

 

[CavLancer]

Put together enough weather, you've got climate.

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