Gonna get plastered? Better have a designated shooter.

[taper]

yaya, maybe that means an extra senator in California in time for the Census

EDIT:

Q: what kind of person doesn't have the safety on when the stick their guns in their pants? A: A DUM one (misspelled for extra oomph)

Glocks don't have an external safety. Instead they have 3 internal safeties. It is a very good and safe system, but if you start rummaging around in your pants for one, expect bad things. A better question is who doesn't use a proper holster when carrying a gun.

 

[Whomp]

I've been in dives in Tucson where the bartender knew the guy was packing and simply asked him to push his piece over the bar.

 

[GoodGame]

I suppose that might close some loophole or something with a citizen's arrest. Do crooks often escape citizen's arrests by running into open bars?

 

[.Shane.]

I've been in dives in Tucson where the bartender knew the guy was packing and simply asked him to push his piece over the bar.

Well, it does appear the law allows bar owners to post a sign saying "no firearms allowed".

Bumping this because I read the law has now come into effect. Source

I love this quote:

"Bad things happen in bars and restaurants," Nelson said. "People want to carry a gun and if the facility owner doesn't have a problem with it, there shouldn't be a problem. If a person starts drinking and gets in a shootout and kills someone, of course they're subject to criminal prosecution."

<bold mine>

Thank god. I'm sure anyone who dies as a consequence of such a shootout will be comforted by this.

 

[Ecofarm]

Bad things happen in bars and restaurants

I think that's the deal. The law was aimed at restaurants because most state gun laws do not allow concealed carry anywhere that serves alcohol. Turning it into a bar thing is just for sensationalism. The fact that news programs can get people to go on camera supporting guns in bars is just a funny side affect of not wanting to demark "X% of sales is food, then you can and under you cannot". Such a distinction would pose a few problems legally and be near impossible for a patron to ascertain before entering an establishment.

Basically, it is so you can carry in restaurants.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

 

[JohnRM]

I'm pretty sure neither of those states are likely to ban smoking in bars, so it's not a representation at all.

Edit: Okay, maybe Arizona.

In Pennsylvania, the only places you are not permitted to carry firearms are schools, courthouses, and other select government-administered sites.

 

[JohnRM]

I canceled my trip to Tennessee...

I just started planning one, so we're even.

 

[Babbler]

I don't see the problem.

Guns + Alcohol = Gunfight

Not that hard to calculate.

 

[JohnRM]

Okay, you want the truth?

This law will only certainly help those who follow it.

The FACTS:

People were carrying firearms into bars, before this law, and were doing so and drinking anyway.
These same people will continue to carry firearms into bars and drink.
This law has not and will not change any of this.
The law will only protect people who go to the bar and do not drink.
These individuals will be subject to other laws governing the use of firearms, in defense.
If they use a firearm, in defense, without proper qualification for doing so, they will be arrested.
If they use a firearm, in defense, with the proper qualification, then what is the beef?

 

[IglooDame]

Well, it does appear the law allows bar owners to post a sign saying "no firearms allowed".

Bumping this because I read the law has now come into effect. Source

I love this quote:

<bold mine>

Thank god. I'm sure anyone who dies as a consequence of such a shootout will be comforted by this.

This is interesting when combined with this:

I know, but, apparently, about 14 other states allow it already.

So we're up to sixteen states. Have bars become more dangerous lately? Has there been anything Plaxico-esque - and just as a reminder, concealed carry by non-police is pretty much banned everywhere in NJ and NYC - in any of these fifteen states?

Aside from Arizona and Tennessee, can anyone even name any of these theoretically more dangerous states?

 

[.Shane.]

So we're up to sixteen states. Have bars become more dangerous lately? Has there been anything Plaxico-esque - and just as a reminder, concealed carry by non-police is pretty much banned everywhere in NJ and NYC - in any of these fifteen states?

I don't think I predicted a rampage of drunken shootouts. TBH, I originally posted this in more of a WTH vein.

2A rights or not, to me, what's bizarre about this is that I can see absolutely no good coming of removing lines between the combination of guns and alcohol.

 

[IglooDame]

I don't think I predicted a rampage of drunken shootouts. TBH, I originally posted this in more of a WTH vein.

2A rights or not, to me, what's bizarre about this is that I can see absolutely no good coming of removing lines between the combination of guns and alcohol.

I think this particular line is pointless, for the reasons John HSOG has noted.

 

[Patroklos]

A better question is who doesn't use a proper holster when carrying a gun.

The answer is a racial steriotype.

gangstas!

 

[IglooDame]

The answer is a racial steriotype.

Or a national one - they don't call it "Mexican Carry" for nothing.

 

[Patroklos]

"Barkeep, give me a shot"

"Will that be 9mm or a .45?"