Gout and #2 or Coup? Kim Jong Un edition

Where in the world is carme-Kim Jong Un?

  • Gout - He sends Oberyn in his place

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  • Broken Ankles

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  • Coup?

    Votes: 9 40.9%
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  • We Salute Downtown, New Supreme Leader

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Gucumatz

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So Kim Jong Un hasn't been seen in a month and a couple of things seem to suggest something odd (well beyond the usual) for North Korea is going on. Contradicting reports of Kim Jong Un having gout or broken his ankles don't seem like they adequately explain his disappearance. So why has best Korea's supreme leader not been seen?

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Here Are All The Reasons People Think There's Something Big Happening In North Korea

JEREMY BENDER

OCT. 7, 2014, 11:50 AM 158,621 47
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... but how in charge is he now?

A whirlwind of speculation has surrounded North Korea within the past month as the country's leader Kim Jong-Un has not been seen in public since Sept. 3.
Separating truth from fiction in North Korea can be incredibly difficult. The country tries to maintain total secrecy as to its inner political workings, and its leadership is an almost-total black box.

However, the general trend of information from the past month signals that something might be going on inside North Korea, even if no one's sure of what. Some are speculating that supreme leader Kim Jong-Un may have been the victim of an internal coup. Gordon G. Chang of The Daily Beast has outlined a number of pieces of evidence that North Korea might be undergoing major shifts in its political order.

On the other hand, an unnamed US official, speaking to Reuters, said there was no indication that anything unusual was underway in North Korea.

In any case, here are the key arguments that the media is citing to support this conclusion.

1. North Korea's Capital Is In Lockdown
Pyongyang, North Korea's capital, has been reportedly locked down since Sept. 27. This lockdown is a general travel ban preventing anyone from entering or leaving the capital, although it also applies to citizens of the city.

In a coup scenario, the lockdown could either be an attempt to prevent possible defectors or coup plotters from fleeing the city after an unsuccessful attempt, or it could be a move by the putschists to impose order after successfully seizing control.

It is also possible that there's no coup at all, and that the lockdown signals that something else is afoot, like a further purge of officials whom Kim finds disloyal.

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A station in the Pyongyang Metro.

2. Kim Jong-Un Has Not Been Seen For Over A Month
Kim Jong-Un, the supreme leader of North Korea, has not been seen in public since the start of September. North Korean state media has chalked his absence up to health concerns. A video in July and another video in September showed Kim walking with a limp. It is also thought that the leader might be suffering from gout, due to his preference for strong alcohol and fatty food.

The rather heavyset Kim has also been spending an awful lot of time on his feet lately; one South Korean media report says the Supreme Leader has been undergoing surgery for resulting ankle fractures.

There's at least one sign the health rumors might be causing confusion or unrest inside of North Korea, or that the country's leadership realizes it may have a situation on its hands: On Sunday, senior North Korean officials reversed course and said there was no problem with Kim's health.

3. Kim Missed One Of The Country's Biggest Annual Events
Kim, ostensibly because of health issues, failed to attend last month's meeting of the Supreme People's Assembly. This was the first such assembly that he has skipped since taking power in 2011.

But that's not all. The assembly's official minutes curiously failed to mention Kim Jong-Un until the very end of the document. This could be interpreted as proof of the Supreme Leader's tenuous grip on power.

Then again, both Kim's father and grandfather did not always attend the assemblies, and his absence alone does not necessarily hint at political turmoil.

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North Korea's Hwang Pyong So, left, a senior aide to North Korea's supreme leader Kim Jong Un, attends the closing ceremony of the 17th Asian Games at the Incheon Asiad Main Stadium on Saturday.

4. North Korean Officials Visited South Korea Unannounced
A high-ranking delegation of North Korean officials that included what are considered to be the Hermit Kingdom's second and third in charge paid a surprise visit to South Korea on Saturday. The visit was the first such high-level talk between officials from the two countries in years. It might even have been the "most senior" northern delegation ever to visit South Korea.

Yet Andrei Lankov, a North Korean scholar who teaches in Seoul, told The Washington Post that this could be part of an ongoing North Korean "charm offensive" that is meant to distance the North from excessive Chinese influence. It doesn't automatically indicate any changes in Pyongyong, at least not on its own.

5. There Are Rumors Of Increasing Dissent
The South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo reported in July that officials and soldiers throughout North Korea were becoming increasingly restive under Kim Jong-Un. Officials are apparently openly criticizing Kim or disagreeing with his policies, something that would have been unthinkable under Kim's father or grandfather.

6. Kim Has Carried Out Frequent Purges
Since taking control of the country, Kim is estimated to have purged half of the top 218 military and regime officials within North Korea. He has also changed his army chief three times in 15 months. All of this points to a possible lack of legitimacy and support for Kim's rule — or possibly the relatively new leader's deep mistrust of his top officers.

Either way, Kim changed the military order as many times during his first two years in power as his father, Kim Jong-Il, had done during his 17 years in control.

Kim even purged a close member of his own family. In December 2013, Kim had his uncle Jang Song Thaek executed. Jang was Kim's second in command and regent, the official responsible for overseeing Kim's transition to power.

Jang's purge could signal Kim's desire to exercise total rule and put an end to a period of behind-the-scenes competition between powerful personalities in the North.

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Kim Jong-Un with North Korean navy officers — possibly during better days.

7. A Prominent Defector Says Kim Is A Figurehead
Jang Jin-sung, a former key member of the late Kim Jong-Il's propaganda machine and a prominent North Korean defector, has asserted that North Korea has been in the midst of a political upheaval for a while now. According to Jang, the Organization and Guidance Department, a group of elite officials created by Kim Jong-Il, has seized power and is using Kim Jong-Un as a figurehead.

But the claim has no outside confirmation.

Given that North Korea is essentially a black box, it is easy to jump to conclusions on the health and stability of the regime. Taken in total, these points seem to hint that something big is underway in the Hermit Kingdom. They could just as easily add up to nothing.

But as with most other things North Korea-related, there's little way of knowing for sure. There's a long history of predicting changes in North Korea that don't actually end up happening. And in January, political scientist Jay Ulfelder forecast that North Korea belonged in the same category of coup risk for the coming year as the United States or Canada. The Hermit Kingdom's decades of rock-solid autocracy, and lack of recent coup attempts or civil wars informs against the potential for a surprise shakeup in leadership, according to Ulfelder's model.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/possible-coup-in-north-korea-2014-10#ixzz3FWitrU1E
 
It might appear North Korea's masters have decided to displace everyone's favourite dictatorship.
 
Kim Jung-Woon's body merged that of great eternal leader Kim Il-Sung, who has returned to earth once more to unify Korea!
 
The Guardian pointed out that the DPRK state media continues to laud Kim Jong-un, so discussion of a coup may be premature. If there has been any shift in power, it doesn't seem to have involved the overthrow of the Kim dynasty, or at least not in the short run.
 
The Guardian pointed out that the DPRK state media continues to laud Kim Jong-un, so discussion of a coup may be premature. If there has been any shift in power, it doesn't seem to have involved the overthrow of the Kim dynasty, or at least not in the short run.

Maybe so.

Although I'd like to see the North Korean generals try a Weekend at Bernie's shtick with Kim the Lesser's poisoned corpse for a couple months.
 
The Guardian pointed out that the DPRK state media continues to laud Kim Jong-un, so discussion of a coup may be premature. If there has been any shift in power, it doesn't seem to have involved the overthrow of the Kim dynasty, or at least not in the short run.

What's preventing them from making him into a Big Brother type figure? Maybe he'll be confined to bed for the rest of his "life," and thus can't be seen by camera. Or he was scarred and doesn't look the way he did before. I'll bet the public would believe it.
 
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OMG I hope he's okay. ;)

Coup, he's not okay, and #2 & #3 have gone to SK to express interest and terms for reunification. :$:
 
What's preventing them from making him into a Big Brother type figure? Maybe he'll be confined to bed for the rest of his "life," and thus can't be seen by camera. Or he was scarred and doesn't look the way he did before. I'll bet the public would believe it.

That would be Kim Il-Sung. North Koreans are made to believe Kim Il-Sung is still alive in some way, and formally he is still the leader of the DPRK. People like Kim Jung-Woon are merely portrayed as intermediaries, not as supreme leaders in the same way the West reports them.
 
Well why not? We have our Elvis...
 
Today was Best Korea's anniversary, a day which every supreme leader has oversaw some events/celebrations. Nothing seen from Kim Jong Un at all
 
Well, he missed another anniversary today. But on the other hand, the second- and third-in-line went to the real Korea for a visit.

This indicates he is too ill for official duties, but still able to approve matters of state.

I am so hoping for a coup.
 
Well, he missed another anniversary today. But on the other hand, the second- and third-in-line went to the real Korea for a visit.

This indicates he is too ill for official duties, but still able to approve matters of state.

I am so hoping for a coup.
Coup probably wouldnt change much. Might reduce the cult of the state aspects but I dont forsee North Korea liberalizing in a post-Kim scenario.
 
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