That is becoming a problem
Ok, more horses is our best shot even though I would like cats too. But it seems we can't move them to where we want them...
At least we should be in a new gov soon, so things might look up
Goz-9 Auto-workers reloaded
- Thread starter gozpel
- Start date
That is becoming a problem
Ok, more horses is our best shot even though I would like cats too. But it seems we can't move them to where we want them...
At least we should be in a new gov soon, so things might look up
Not much to do here, except trading.
I shift citizens to gain as much gold as possible, by working sea-tiles. Turn off science and luxes, to see how much we have to play with. 44gpt and 212g.
I'm going to kill us now or give us a chance to gain something, but it will be a gamble for sure
Buy Currency from Arabs for gems, 9gpt and 188g.
America, Arabs and Aztecs knows Feudalism and Engineering, Russia only know Engineering and Babs can be our saviour *cross fingers for Mono*
Get Republic from China for Currency, 20pt and 19g. If they weren't fighting with India, we could have used our last gem. But they were the only civ we could get Rep from, without paying every gpt we have.
Give Currency to Babs for Lit and 32g, they got Feudalism
and are insulted when I offer Republic for it.
Monarchy from Ghandi for Rep and 30g.
Mon, Rep, our last gem, 3gpt and 3g to Babs for Feudalism!
Feudalism to Russia for Engineering, 3gpt and 19g.
Monarchy to China for all their 14gpt and 38g.
HBR to India for 32g and a slave, then they get Engineering as well for another 5 slaves.
Eng. to Babs for a lux and 4g, throw in ROP for kicks
Gift China Engineering, so Ghandi can't use it as peace-offering.
Shift-A the 6 slaves and revolt, we get 4 turns of Anarchy.
After MM-ing we won't starve and we do -9gpt, with 96g in the bank. One scientist on Invention.
---------
470bc - We are a Republic, I thought for a second to chose Feudalism, but it won't help us atm.
I need 20% luxes to keep CI happy, but they are producing the 10 shields we were after
Cathy have incense for sale and I get it for 5gpt and 58g and luxtax back to 10%.
430bc - Arabs are first to Invention and start Leo's.
390bc - Disband SS Gozpel to save some gold. Send galley out to sea.
370bc - Galley sinks.
I just noticed that Babs and Aztecs are at war, our scout can see how it goes.
We have 3 horses and 3 JT's, get a couple more and try to take the closest Indian town, Bombay. Raze and replace.
We have 36gpt and 202g right now, but nothing to buy.
I shift citizens to gain as much gold as possible, by working sea-tiles. Turn off science and luxes, to see how much we have to play with. 44gpt and 212g.
I'm going to kill us now or give us a chance to gain something, but it will be a gamble for sure
Buy Currency from Arabs for gems, 9gpt and 188g.
America, Arabs and Aztecs knows Feudalism and Engineering, Russia only know Engineering and Babs can be our saviour *cross fingers for Mono*
Get Republic from China for Currency, 20pt and 19g. If they weren't fighting with India, we could have used our last gem. But they were the only civ we could get Rep from, without paying every gpt we have.
Give Currency to Babs for Lit and 32g, they got Feudalism
and are insulted when I offer Republic for it.Monarchy from Ghandi for Rep and 30g.
Mon, Rep, our last gem, 3gpt and 3g to Babs for Feudalism!
Feudalism to Russia for Engineering, 3gpt and 19g.
Monarchy to China for all their 14gpt and 38g.
HBR to India for 32g and a slave, then they get Engineering as well for another 5 slaves.
Eng. to Babs for a lux and 4g, throw in ROP for kicks
Gift China Engineering, so Ghandi can't use it as peace-offering.
Shift-A the 6 slaves and revolt, we get 4 turns of Anarchy.
After MM-ing we won't starve and we do -9gpt, with 96g in the bank. One scientist on Invention.
---------
470bc - We are a Republic, I thought for a second to chose Feudalism, but it won't help us atm.
I need 20% luxes to keep CI happy, but they are producing the 10 shields we were after
Cathy have incense for sale and I get it for 5gpt and 58g and luxtax back to 10%.
430bc - Arabs are first to Invention and start Leo's.
390bc - Disband SS Gozpel to save some gold. Send galley out to sea.
370bc - Galley sinks.
I just noticed that Babs and Aztecs are at war, our scout can see how it goes.
We have 3 horses and 3 JT's, get a couple more and try to take the closest Indian town, Bombay. Raze and replace.
We have 36gpt and 202g right now, but nothing to buy.
Save
Built up army, 12 horses, 2 trebs, trebs still can't get to India.
Workers will only improve land in our territory therefore built a temple in Quirigua to give us more squares that the workers can clear to get to India (there was one in two turns there will be 3).
AI got mono, wouldn't trade with me, rest got it next turn. India and China don't have mono or invension so look for the trade. Based on f7 AI also has Chiv and Theo. Or just wait till we have 200 more gold and we can cheap steal a tech.
America declared on Russia
Built up army, 12 horses, 2 trebs, trebs still can't get to India.
Workers will only improve land in our territory therefore built a temple in Quirigua to give us more squares that the workers can clear to get to India (there was one in two turns there will be 3).
AI got mono, wouldn't trade with me, rest got it next turn. India and China don't have mono or invension so look for the trade. Based on f7 AI also has Chiv and Theo. Or just wait till we have 200 more gold and we can cheap steal a tech.
America declared on Russia
Got it. After scrutinizing, I am facing an important choice: which unit will be our main force, longbow or horse?
Longbow: India has no any resource, so longbow has great chance against their spear. And we don't need waiting for workers to open a road for treb. And as long as we don't trigger golden age, we can always build jav and upgrade it to longbow for 30 gold.
Horse: Horse vs. spear is not too bad for retreating, -- unless the city is on a hill and/or has walls. And we don't need more tech. And they can upgrade to knight and cavalry.
What do you think?
More information: We have 9 cities and 32 units: 11 workers, 2 warriors, 1 spear, 12 horses, 2 trebs, 3 javs. They cost us 38 gpt. We are doing lone scientist run to invention and gaining 49 gpt, with 455 cash. India has 10 cities, tech parity, no resource at all. They are republic, and our military is AVERAGE to them!!!
Just an idea: we can transport trebs using galley!
Longbow: India has no any resource, so longbow has great chance against their spear. And we don't need waiting for workers to open a road for treb. And as long as we don't trigger golden age, we can always build jav and upgrade it to longbow for 30 gold.
Horse: Horse vs. spear is not too bad for retreating, -- unless the city is on a hill and/or has walls. And we don't need more tech. And they can upgrade to knight and cavalry.
What do you think?
More information: We have 9 cities and 32 units: 11 workers, 2 warriors, 1 spear, 12 horses, 2 trebs, 3 javs. They cost us 38 gpt. We are doing lone scientist run to invention and gaining 49 gpt, with 455 cash. India has 10 cities, tech parity, no resource at all. They are republic, and our military is AVERAGE to them!!!
Just an idea: we can transport trebs using galley!
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
I think going straight at them with horses should work, especially considering we're already average against them. We need to move our borders out further so the 
crew actually decides to hack through the jungle to India.
crew actually decides to hack through the jungle to India.A dozen horses are good enough to get our foot in.
Bombay is small and I think India have most of their troops on the other side, against China. That will give us enough time to get defenders to our warzone.
We can try to take 2-3 cities and then sue for peace, getting that annoying Hyderabad. But then I rather push to take Delhi too, a good spot for FP and lot of room to squeeze in more towns.
Bombay is small and I think India have most of their troops on the other side, against China. That will give us enough time to get defenders to our warzone.
We can try to take 2-3 cities and then sue for peace, getting that annoying Hyderabad. But then I rather push to take Delhi too, a good spot for FP and lot of room to squeeze in more towns.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Oh boy....this is starting to look like the Squeeze 
gozpel said:
Since Hyderabad is on a hill, we don't want attack it directly using horses, right? However, there is a route for trebs to reach it. Shall we go to Bombay (using the battle settler to open a door) or Hyderabad first?
We will get Hyderabad later in a peace-deal, we'll need a defender or two in Lagertero though.
Bombay is the obvious target and if we can get another half dozen horses soon, I have a feeling we can roll over India. But that doesn't mean we have to wait for the reinforcements, we can start the war very soon and take out Bombay plus the fringe cities.
Then we go for Delhi with everything we've got and start a second core
If we get that far, we sue for peace for a city or two and build up our forces again.
Preturn, 150 BC (120):
A Chinese spearman near our worker? Oh, he is dropped from a galley to harrass Bombay.
We have 9 cities and 32 units: 11 workers, 2 warriors, 1 spear, 12 horses, 2 trebs, 3 javs. They cost us 38 gpt.
We are doing lone scientist run to invention and gaining 49 gpt, with 455 cash.
Our dearest brother India has 10 cities, tech parity, no resource at all. They are republic, and our military is AVERAGE to them!!! Their long war with China must hurt.
Our 2nd dearest brother China has 7 cities, tech parity, and 1 dye. They are republic, and we are weak.
All the other buddies have mono and invention.
We are terribly overirrigated, and I hate that ...
Since Yaxchila cannot grow without aqueduct, change it to aqueduct. The same for Bonampak. Letting them grow to size 7 will save us 8 gpt, so rush aqueducts for 144 and 152 gold. The lone scientist goes to Bonampak, to let Lagartero grow.
Move a jav to Lagartero.
Move the battle settler into position.
IT: Babylon stops giving us ivory.
130 BC (121):
Found Lazapa to open a door to Bombay. Gather all our horses and trebs.
Lone scientist goes back to Lagartero.
IT: Arabia declares war on Aztecs. Washingto finishes Leo's.
Palenque horse -> horse, disease strikes Tikal.
110 BC (122):
Declare war on India!
Move a horse near Bombay, see a regular spear defending. Redline him and retreat. The 2nd horse doesn't do a scratch to another regular spear, then retreat. The 3rd horse does the same. The 4th knocks off 1 HP and is killed, promoting the spear. The 5th kills the promoted spear. The 6th kills the other spear, and we capture Bombay!
With a resistor, it has 0.648% chance to flip. Move all the available horses into Bombay.
Our spear captures a worker near Hyderabad.
Have to increase lux to 30% due to increased corruption.
MM a lot to save 2 shields ...
IT: CI horse -> horse, Copan spear -> spear. Disease strikes Tikal again. The resistor is quelled. A worker builds a MINE near Bonampak.
Arabs are building Sistine and KT. Americans building Sistine, and Boston completes KT.
90 BC (123):
The flip chance of Bombay drops to 0.21%.
A horse kills a redlined archer (who killed the Chinese spear, I guess) near Bombay.
Send 3 horses to charge, kill 2 regular spears, then they capture Lahore! One of the two citizens resists.
IT: Babylon demands 34 gold?! OK, I cave. Their attitude becomes polite from cautious.
The resistor is quelled and starved at once.
A regular archer goes out from Hyderabad.
70 BC (124):
Send back a horse to deal with the archer. All the other healthy horses march to Calcutta.
Another unholy amount of MM ...
IT: A regular archer attacks our horse stack, but he dies.
Tikal horse -> spear, Bonampak spear -> horse.
50 BC (125):
The roaming archer is killed by our horse. Rally full HP horses near Calcutta.
IT: Lincoln wants 38 gold, ok, why not. Cautious to polite too.
An archer goes out from Calcutta and kills a horse, our 2nd victim.
Copan spear -> spear.
Kufah completes Sistine.
30 BC (126):
Our 4 horses attack Calcutta, capture it, and 1 cat, and MoM!
We have a strong army comparing to India!
We can sell gem now, but if Calcutta flips our rep will be hit, so I hold.
IT: The redlined archer kills our 2 HP horse.
CI horse -> horse, Palenque horse -> spear, Quirigui treb -> treb.
10 BC (127):
March to Delhi.
IT: Gandhi wants peace, willing to give us Madras. No way! Then their archer kills our spear near Bombay.
Lagartero temple -> treb.
Arabs are building Copernicus.
10 AD (128):
That's the date when we finish AW with 6 AIs in GR8 phoenix rising ...
Horse revenges for the spear. SoD near Delhi, which is also guarded by regular spear.
It's super tough to do a good MM when Bonampak has 17 shields in box ... Since its 8th citizen is unhappy, change to temple.
IT: Arabia buys in India against Aztecs!
CI spear -> spear, Copan spear -> spear, Tikal spear -> spear, Calakmul treb -> treb.
People expand our palace.
30 AD (129):
Siege of Delhi! One cat and two trebs do zero damage, aha ...
Elite horse retreats. Vet horse retreats. The super spear makes our 3rd horse retreat. He kills the 4th, still doesn't lose 1 HP! Kills the 5th and promotes. Retreats the 6th. Our 7th horse kills another spear. 8th retreats. 9th retreats. Reinforce 2 horses.
A Chinese elite archer is near Delhi, let's see what he will do.
IT: The Chinese archer doesn't do a scratch to Indian spear too. Another Indian archer emerges from Hyderabad.
Arabs suggests MA vs. Aztecs, oh, not the right time ...
50 AD (130):
Our cat and trebs knock off 3 HP and confirm there are just 3 spears inside Delhi. Since 2 Chinese archers are in position to attack, and I only have 2 healthy horses to attack, let's wait for reinforcement and opportunity made by Chinese.
War weainess starts.
A Chinese spearman near our worker? Oh, he is dropped from a galley to harrass Bombay.
We have 9 cities and 32 units: 11 workers, 2 warriors, 1 spear, 12 horses, 2 trebs, 3 javs. They cost us 38 gpt.
We are doing lone scientist run to invention and gaining 49 gpt, with 455 cash.
Our dearest brother India has 10 cities, tech parity, no resource at all. They are republic, and our military is AVERAGE to them!!! Their long war with China must hurt.
Our 2nd dearest brother China has 7 cities, tech parity, and 1 dye. They are republic, and we are weak.
All the other buddies have mono and invention.
We are terribly overirrigated, and I hate that ...
Since Yaxchila cannot grow without aqueduct, change it to aqueduct. The same for Bonampak. Letting them grow to size 7 will save us 8 gpt, so rush aqueducts for 144 and 152 gold. The lone scientist goes to Bonampak, to let Lagartero grow.
Move a jav to Lagartero.
Move the battle settler into position.
IT: Babylon stops giving us ivory.
130 BC (121):
Found Lazapa to open a door to Bombay. Gather all our horses and trebs.
Lone scientist goes back to Lagartero.
IT: Arabia declares war on Aztecs. Washingto finishes Leo's.
Palenque horse -> horse, disease strikes Tikal.
110 BC (122):
Declare war on India!
Move a horse near Bombay, see a regular spear defending. Redline him and retreat. The 2nd horse doesn't do a scratch to another regular spear, then retreat. The 3rd horse does the same. The 4th knocks off 1 HP and is killed, promoting the spear. The 5th kills the promoted spear. The 6th kills the other spear, and we capture Bombay!
With a resistor, it has 0.648% chance to flip. Move all the available horses into Bombay.Our spear captures a worker near Hyderabad.
Have to increase lux to 30% due to increased corruption.
MM a lot to save 2 shields ...
IT: CI horse -> horse, Copan spear -> spear. Disease strikes Tikal again. The resistor is quelled. A worker builds a MINE near Bonampak.
Arabs are building Sistine and KT. Americans building Sistine, and Boston completes KT.
90 BC (123):
The flip chance of Bombay drops to 0.21%.
A horse kills a redlined archer (who killed the Chinese spear, I guess) near Bombay.
Send 3 horses to charge, kill 2 regular spears, then they capture Lahore! One of the two citizens resists.
IT: Babylon demands 34 gold?! OK, I cave. Their attitude becomes polite from cautious.
The resistor is quelled and starved at once.
A regular archer goes out from Hyderabad.
70 BC (124):
Send back a horse to deal with the archer. All the other healthy horses march to Calcutta.
Another unholy amount of MM ...
IT: A regular archer attacks our horse stack, but he dies.
Tikal horse -> spear, Bonampak spear -> horse.
50 BC (125):
The roaming archer is killed by our horse. Rally full HP horses near Calcutta.
IT: Lincoln wants 38 gold, ok, why not. Cautious to polite too.
An archer goes out from Calcutta and kills a horse, our 2nd victim.
Copan spear -> spear.
Kufah completes Sistine.
30 BC (126):
Our 4 horses attack Calcutta, capture it, and 1 cat, and MoM!
We have a strong army comparing to India!
We can sell gem now, but if Calcutta flips our rep will be hit, so I hold.
IT: The redlined archer kills our 2 HP horse.
CI horse -> horse, Palenque horse -> spear, Quirigui treb -> treb.
10 BC (127):
March to Delhi.
IT: Gandhi wants peace, willing to give us Madras. No way! Then their archer kills our spear near Bombay.
Lagartero temple -> treb.
Arabs are building Copernicus.
10 AD (128):
That's the date when we finish AW with 6 AIs in GR8 phoenix rising ...
Horse revenges for the spear. SoD near Delhi, which is also guarded by regular spear.
It's super tough to do a good MM when Bonampak has 17 shields in box ... Since its 8th citizen is unhappy, change to temple.
IT: Arabia buys in India against Aztecs!
CI spear -> spear, Copan spear -> spear, Tikal spear -> spear, Calakmul treb -> treb.
People expand our palace.
30 AD (129):
Siege of Delhi! One cat and two trebs do zero damage, aha ...
Elite horse retreats. Vet horse retreats. The super spear makes our 3rd horse retreat. He kills the 4th, still doesn't lose 1 HP! Kills the 5th and promotes. Retreats the 6th. Our 7th horse kills another spear. 8th retreats. 9th retreats. Reinforce 2 horses.
A Chinese elite archer is near Delhi, let's see what he will do.
IT: The Chinese archer doesn't do a scratch to Indian spear too. Another Indian archer emerges from Hyderabad.
Arabs suggests MA vs. Aztecs, oh, not the right time ...
50 AD (130):
Our cat and trebs knock off 3 HP and confirm there are just 3 spears inside Delhi. Since 2 Chinese archers are in position to attack, and I only have 2 healthy horses to attack, let's wait for reinforcement and opportunity made by Chinese.
War weainess starts.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Nice progress! Hopefully the Chinese archers will act as "artillery" for us on the IT. Got it.
Excellent work, exactly how I would've played it..by pushing for luck.
You "almost" made it, Heroes. But not all the way and your half suicide roll ensured us more lands. Well done.
Now, do we want to kill off India (I hate flips)?
Quite amazing how Gandhi saved 5 spears in his capitol, normally they leave 3 and let the others go pillaging. That's why he lost the war against China, methinks. It might be that Mil Civs are more inclined to let go of their spears/pikes, but still, the capitol was way off the chinese warzone. And flip-risks against us are none.
I don't get it sometimes.
I'm very happy, just remember how we looked a 1000 years ago
If we gather all Gandhi's lands, I want a bunch of squeeze towns here and there to enhance our economy. Or IF we get a leader, FP in Delhi!
You "almost" made it, Heroes. But not all the way and your half suicide roll ensured us more lands. Well done.
Now, do we want to kill off India (I hate flips)?
Quite amazing how Gandhi saved 5 spears in his capitol, normally they leave 3 and let the others go pillaging. That's why he lost the war against China, methinks. It might be that Mil Civs are more inclined to let go of their spears/pikes, but still, the capitol was way off the chinese warzone. And flip-risks against us are none.
I don't get it sometimes.
I'm very happy, just remember how we looked a 1000 years ago
If we gather all Gandhi's lands, I want a bunch of squeeze towns here and there to enhance our economy. Or IF we get a leader, FP in Delhi!
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Preturn- All looks good.
IT- Babylon and America sign against Russia. The Chinese "artillery" kills two spears in Delhi, one moves to reinforce.
T1 70
Bombardment reveals three spears in Delhi, the best is at 2hp. There are many Chinese archers about though, so I feel we may have to take out chances, as we won't have fresh reinforcements next turn anyway.
Vet horse is redlined but kill spear.
Vet horse kills spear, but reveals an archer in the city as well. This is going to be tight.
Elite horse kills reg spear.
Vet horse kills reg archer and Delhi is ours along with a large amount of new addicts.
Since we have the war well in hand, I swap a couple builds to markets for a bit more gold.
IT- Aztecs and Babylon sign peace, China and Babylon go against Russia.
T2 90
Just some troop movement, not much of interest.
IT- zzz
T3 110
Move our arty stack to Bangalore.
IT- zzz
T4 130
We will take Bangalore next turn.
IT- zzz
T5 150
Bangalore is ours at the loss of one horse.
T6 170
Arabs complete Copernicus.
T7 190
We take Jaipur. We have gained all we really need to from India, so I dial him up. we get Karachi, Hyderabad and 4g.
T10 250
Goodbye flip risk, India is destroyed by China. Apparently they heard your request Goz
Summary
We are in pretty good position now. I think we should not take too long off from warmongering, as China is in as bad of shape as India was. I think we can swoop in and secure a source of iron, and then perhaps sit back and build up and decide where to go from there. I have a settler north of Delhi to fill in the gap.
IT- Babylon and America sign against Russia. The Chinese "artillery" kills two spears in Delhi, one moves to reinforce.
T1 70
Bombardment reveals three spears in Delhi, the best is at 2hp. There are many Chinese archers about though, so I feel we may have to take out chances, as we won't have fresh reinforcements next turn anyway.
Vet horse is redlined but kill spear.
Vet horse kills spear, but reveals an archer in the city as well. This is going to be tight.
Elite horse kills reg spear.
Vet horse kills reg archer and Delhi is ours along with a large amount of new
addicts.Since we have the war well in hand, I swap a couple builds to markets for a bit more gold.
IT- Aztecs and Babylon sign peace, China and Babylon go against Russia.
T2 90
Just some troop movement, not much of interest.
IT- zzz
T3 110
Move our arty stack to Bangalore.
IT- zzz
T4 130
We will take Bangalore next turn.
IT- zzz
T5 150
Bangalore is ours at the loss of one horse.
T6 170
Arabs complete Copernicus.
T7 190
We take Jaipur. We have gained all we really need to from India, so I dial him up. we get Karachi, Hyderabad and 4g.
T10 250
Goodbye flip risk, India is destroyed by China. Apparently they heard your request Goz
Summary
We are in pretty good position now. I think we should not take too long off from warmongering, as China is in as bad of shape as India was. I think we can swoop in and secure a source of iron, and then perhaps sit back and build up and decide where to go from there. I have a settler north of Delhi to fill in the gap.
Kaiser_Berger
Terran Emporer
Great! 
Some thoughts:
1. Our military is, again, AVERAGE to China! Although we only have 10 horses, 8 spears, and 8 trebs.
2. China is fighting Russia. So it would be profitable to sign MA against China with Russia before declaring. Maybe a discount to buy invention?
3. Both iron and horse resources are very close to Indian and Chinese, but they didn't connect!
4. What to do with tech? Full speed to gunpowder? We are hopelessly too behind to do any broking, so probably self research is the way to go. With a nice size territory and population, research is not too bad an option.
5. There is a whale near Bangalore, and there is only 1 tile where a city can use that.
Some thoughts:
1. Our military is, again, AVERAGE to China! Although we only have 10 horses, 8 spears, and 8 trebs.
2. China is fighting Russia. So it would be profitable to sign MA against China with Russia before declaring. Maybe a discount to buy invention?
3. Both iron and horse resources are very close to Indian and Chinese, but they didn't connect!
4. What to do with tech? Full speed to gunpowder? We are hopelessly too behind to do any broking, so probably self research is the way to go. With a nice size territory and population, research is not too bad an option.
5. There is a whale near Bangalore, and there is only 1 tile where a city can use that.
