Great Quotes δ' : Being laconic is being philosophical

[PhroX]

Pilot error causes far more plane crashes than automation problems - and most of the times there's a problem with the automation, the actual crash is caused by the pilot incorrectly responding to the error (sometimes, as in the Lion Air crash, this is due to poor training [although even that is a simplification], other times the pilots should know what to do but get it wrong).

And new airliners are far better than "old and simpler" ones. They're faster, larger, more fuel efficient and vastly safer. In general, there is an argument for not adding complexity just for the sake of adding complexity, but the airplane industry is not an example of this. The changes made to airliners over the last 50 years might have made them more complex, but they've also made them much better.

 

[Takhisis]

Yes, but Mouthwash's post seems to be more about allowing Donald J. Trump to be quoted as making ‘great quotes’. I've just noticed that the last time he answered me he carefully clipped my post to avoid answering on the issue of what I've just said.

 

[metatron]

Becoming overreliant on automated systems is certainly an issue but it doesn't seem particularly related to Trump's tweet. Additionally my understanding is that commercial flying is getting safer over time in spite of this problem so you can draw your own conclusions from that fact...

I think there's a case to be made that flying got safer because pilots changed, more than because technology changed.
You know, increased communication skills, particularly regarding intercultural communication, better protocol etc.

I mean, hey, the average pilot in 1978 was basically Zapp Brannigan with a dash of Bill Clinton.

 

[Lexicus]

I mean, hey, the average pilot in 1978 was basically Zapp Brannigan with a dash of Bill Clinton.

So is there any way to read Trump's tweet except as like, an endorsement of going back to that?

 

[Takhisis]

Going back to Bill Clinton? No way.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

An old alleged quote from kaiser Wilhelm II in the Daily Telegraph that seems appropriate these days.

You English are mad, mad, mad as March hares. What has come over you that you are so completely given over to suspicions quite unworthy of a great nation?

I think people have been very unfair to Old Willy.

 

[Lexicus]

I made a promise, Mr. Frodo! A promise! 'Don't you leave him, Samwise Gamgee'...and I don't mean to!

 

[Phrossack]

"[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them."

General George Thomas, letter to President Grant

"No, no. Mix them up. Mix them up. I'm tired of states' rights."

General George Thomas, on whether the dead after a battle should be buried separately by state

 

[Takhisis]

^That sadly reminds me of a lot of stuff I've been reading up on the KKK-enabling United Daughters of the Confederacy.

 

[Phrossack]

^That sadly reminds me of a lot of stuff I've been reading up on the KKK-enabling United Daughters of the Confederacy.

Slaver-traitor sympathizers do be like that

 

[Mouthwash]

I remember that a couple months ago you just started posting political stuff, made up my answer in advance, and then dismissed that answer as ‘anti-Semitism!!’ before the mods clamped down on the discussion… so maybe you could just learn to stay within the bounds of reality and argue in good faith.

Arguing doesn't have any effect on you people. Example: your recollection of the exchange, right here.

 

[Kyriakos]

An old alleged quote from kaiser Wilhelm II in the Daily Telegraph that seems appropriate these days.



I think people have been very unfair to Old Willy.

I think that is an asterix & obelix low level quote :/
Though he is right where he belongs in the telegraph.

 

[Ferocitus]

Does a short title of a famous philosophy essay meet the requirements of this thread?
"On BS"
http://www2.csudh.edu/ccauthen/576f12/frankfurt__harry_-_on_bull****.pdf

Haha, just noticed that CFC censored the url. Wonder if it will do the same to the wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bull****

Yep. Looks like you will all just have to put up with my BS then!

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Does a short title of a famous philosophy essay meet the requirements of this thread?

To paraphrase its salient tenet: "The liar cares about the truth. The BSer doesn't."

I've been plugging it a lot since 2016.

 

[Kyriakos]

Does a short title of a famous philosophy essay meet the requirements of this thread?
"On BS"
http://www2.csudh.edu/ccauthen/576f12/frankfurt__harry_-_on_bull****.pdf

Haha, just noticed that CFC censored the url. Wonder if it will do the same to the wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bull****

Yep. Looks like you will all just have to put up with my BS then!

Only good bs is Basil the bs.

 

[r16]

"Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!"

- the smartest thing Donald Trump has ever said. I know it's not a high bar, but he is absolutely correct and insightful here.

now that ı haven't shot like a dog yet , ı would say it would add to the feeling that ı wouldn't do it . He has links to the company in question as if no other politician in the US has and while he is not talking about "Jewish Science" and "True Science" -yet- but he is just desiring a decision of Dabya / Cheney / whatever comes to mind must be removed without people becoming aware . Check the missing Malaysian or how the Chinese were forced to land the first 777 in a bad way and it took a full South Korean effort to smash the second before the Malaysian which came before the 4th , which was Malaysian again and not lost .

 

[Mouthwash]

Pilot error causes far more plane crashes than automation problems - and most of the times there's a problem with the automation, the actual crash is caused by the pilot incorrectly responding to the error

Which contradicts what I said... where?

I've just noticed that the last time he answered me he carefully clipped my post to avoid answering on the issue of what I've just said.

I clipped your ramblings because they were vague denigrations aimed at Trump. Or perhaps you can explain what "stuff he can pretend he never said whenever he's called out on it, and will shamelessly cop to not kaving a clue about it and will at the same time defer to and disparage generic unnamed ‘experts’ " contributes to this particular discussion?

I explicitly said it wasn't a high bar, so it's a little difficult to see how you're getting a MAGA impression from my post.

 

[Dachs]

An old alleged quote from kaiser Wilhelm II in the Daily Telegraph that seems appropriate these days.

I think people have been very unfair to Old Willy.

It's from his 1908 interview with the Daily Telegraph, yes. He gave them an interview in some sort of half-thought-out appeal to British public opinion but spent a significant chunk of it complaining that he and Germany were treated unfairly in the British press. Astonishingly, the German chancellor and foreign office totally failed to vet the interview after it was given, even though the Telegraph sent the Wilhelmstraße a copy for approval before publishing.

That quotation's actually the thing that the English remembered best about the whole incident. Naturally, the interview did nothing to mend relations with Britain.

I think that is an asterix & obelix low level quote :/
Though he is right where he belongs in the telegraph.

I mean, as mendacious as Wilhelm acted in the interview, and as ill-considered as most of his words were, on that particular point he wasn't really wrong. British public opinion toward Germany before the war was shaped in large part by hysterical xenophobia and irrational fears, and British government policy was often in the hands of men who shared those beliefs.

"[T]he greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them."

General George Thomas, letter to President Grant

"No, no. Mix them up. Mix them up. I'm tired of states' rights."

General George Thomas, on whether the dead after a battle should be buried separately by state

I, too, am quite a fan of that quotation.

 

[Lexicus]

https://jacobinmag.com/2013/09/alexander-cockburn-the-last-polemicist

Everyone knows Alex’s great bit about his hate being pure. If you don’t know the story, it’s a tradition that Alex inherited from his editor Jim Goode who’d test Alexander’s morale and commitment to the good fight by asking him if his “hate” for the powerful was truly pure. Alex would then put the same question to his interns at the Nation. One such intern, a young Ed Miliband, soon to be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, replied with shock that he did not, in fact, hate anyone. As Alex put it: “It’s all you need to know.”

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

"It was a surprise. We didn't believe that in the middle of the battle, when we're fighting against ISIS, when we're fighting against all the others, that our partners would abandon us. To be honest, the painful point for us was that America is a great country. How could a great country behave like that and abandon its allies in the middle of the fight? And, from that time on, how are people going to trust in the Americans or partner with them in any fight in the future?"
— Mazloum Kobani Abdi