Guide to NESing!

[Gelion]

*secret to das*
see das I told you we can prove he cannot be trusted
*endsecret*

 

[Kal'thzar]

Gelion wise people wait

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Outemperoring should be in the guide!

 

[Kal'thzar]

*secret*
To Erik
if you may me well i will supply you with info of both gelion and das's plans
*endsecret*

Bwahahahahaah

 

[das]

Outemperoring should be in the guide!

You write about that, I write about polar bears.

 

[conehead234]

YOu cannot forget abotu the Walrus armies

 

[Harleqin]

Right, with all the walrusses, penguins and polar bears I'm not sure this is the right thread

I have quite a bit of free time so I've been thinking a bit on how to set up a NEs in the future. Now, I still need to play a lot more before starting to run anything, but I do have ideas. I am thinking on a POD around the time of Cromwell, but what I'm really thinking on is economy and armysizes.

I'm not sure about many of the eco-systems as in some games they fluctuate more than seems realistic. Also, it seems that often there is little difference in what you can do regardless of your eco. I'm trying to come up with something.

Now, what I am thinking. When recruiting for an army people always either get the same per point or the MOD decides based on the population of the nation. Has anyone ever tried to have a stat called "Manpower" representing how many troops your nation can sustain before it becomes a burden on the economy?
Some nations have massive armies, but it just seems wrong for a small nation to have both a huge, powerful army, high economy to keep building and in praksis be a minor nation with small population?

I just feel that there should be some kind of max manpower level. Everything above that would count as levy/militia/conscript and using those would mean taking a hit in production. Maybe having less spending points while they are called up?

I don't know. Maybe I'm just rambling While it works the way it is, I just have some feeling that it can still be improved. Thoughts?

 

[das]

Upkeep has been tried, and, whether this is connected or not, no NES that used it lasted for long. Clearly the polar bears don't wish for it to work.

Seriously, though, most mods try to take actual population into account anyway, whether its in their rules or not. It might be better to standardize it somewhat, but so far it only seems to make modding harder.

 

[andis-1]

Seriously, though, most mods try to take actual population into account anyway, whether its in their rules or not. It might be better to standardize it somewhat, but so far it only seems to make modding harder.

People should use word-levels to measure the population, instead of numbers. Like tiny, small, medium, large and so forth, it would be easier for the mod to use those than count how many soldiers can population of 92637024 people support.

 

[Toteone]

I second Andis' idea.

 

[Harleqin]

Upkeep has been tried, and, whether this is connected or not, no NES that used it lasted for long. Clearly the polar bears don't wish for it to work.

Seriously, though, most mods try to take actual population into account anyway, whether its in their rules or not. It might be better to standardize it somewhat, but so far it only seems to make modding harder.

But maybe if we did come up with some more or less standardized way it would make it easier down the line?

The simplest of cause would be to make a word-"class" for population and saying the army can be no bigger than that. Be it tiny, small, large, huge, overpopulated or whatever.

I think it works best pre-industrial though. Numbers have some charm and while I haven't played in a modern NES yet, I would prefer to order divisions/army groups about rather than saying something vague. Although, with the general size of nations in NESses that would be quite a few divisions. Didn't the Germans and Russians have more than 200 against each other just on that front?

Hmm... what is it with you people and polar bears/penguins?

I am Danish. Greenland is ours. Norway is kind of ours Therefore the polar bears is also ours and you keep your paws away from our secret weapon

 

[Israelite9191]

Yah, well, we are the Jews and the world is ours! Long live the world Jewish conspiracy!

 

[das]

The simplest of cause would be to make a word-"class" for population and saying the army can be no bigger than that. Be it tiny, small, large, huge, overpopulated or whatever.

Problem is, armies are usually numerical nowadays.

Greenland is ours. Norway is kind of ours Therefore the polar bears is also ours and you keep your paws away from our secret weapon

Bah! Don't you West/North Europeans believe the stereotypes anymore? Here in Russia polar bears with balalaykas walk the streets at night, remember.

That aside, the first polar bear appearence in NESing history was in OTL Canada, so its neither Russia nor Denmark.

Yah, well, we are the Jews and the world is ours! Long live the world Jewish conspiracy!

Jews don't exist. They are a fabrication, invented by Franco to justify his victory in the Spanish Civil War. It has been academically proven before with the following formula:

2+2=5

Therefore, Jews don't exist at all. That said, I'm not at all sure what relevance does your post have to the present discussion...

 

[Harleqin]

Bah! Don't you West/North Europeans believe the stereotypes anymore? Here in Russia polar bears with balalaykas walk the streets at night, remember.

Do they know how to use them?

I'll think of something. One day when I feel ready to start one and have decided on how the POD will affect the map I'll make a preview where you old timers can chime in with comments

 

[das]

Do they know how to use them?

That's what they have six arms for!

you old timers can chime in with comments

Am eagerly anticipating it, but even though a) Xen isn't around nowadays and b) your PoD doesn't seem to involve the Ancient era, I think you might regret this invitation later on. Fair warning.

 

[Harleqin]

Warning duly noted

Maybe I'll send it to you by PM to make the public humiliation smaller

 

[das]

Why just me? NK and Panda perfectly qualify as well. As do the others, but they don't seem to be carrying out their patriotic duty of visiting the althist thread regularily...

 

[Reno]

As do the others, but they don't seem to be carrying out their patriotic duty of visiting the althist thread regularily...

I do go there, i just (almost) never comment.

 

[andis-1]

People should use word-levels to measure the population, instead of numbers. Like tiny, small, medium, large and so forth, it would be easier for the mod to use those than count how many soldiers can population of 92637024 people support.

Somehow i feel that people missed this cus of the polar bear/penguin discussion...

btw, armies would still be measured with numbers.

 

[tossi]

I think this is a great idea.

Population levels are something like: small, medium, large, big, enourmous, gigantic, uncountable

and army stays in numbers, but: 1000=small 10.000=medium 100.000=large 1.000.000=big 10.000.000=enourmous 100.000.000=gigantic 1.000.000.000=uncountable

a small population can support up to 1000 men, a medium can support up to 10.000 men and so on.

I think this is easy enough, isn't it?