Harvard's Satanic Mass

[cybrxkhan]

I've heard that also the very same people who told that one individual was a witch were burned too, because only heretics believe in witches.

Did this actually happen?

The Inquisition was more likely to arrest you because you claimed someone was a witch rather than because you were a witch, yes.

Most of what people know about the inquisition is very distorted at best.

 

[ParkCungHee]

"reaffirm their respect for the Satanic faith and to demonstrate that the most powerful response to offensive speech is to shame those who marginalize others by letting their own words and actions speak for themselves."

Can anyone decipher what this actually means?

 

[Hygro]

"reaffirm their respect for the Satanic faith and to demonstrate that the most powerful response to offensive speech is to shame those who marginalize others by letting their own words and actions speak for themselves."

Can anyone decipher what this actually means?

I think it means the best way to criticize someone is let them be the one being heard, as if they are worth criticizing they will make it clear by their own speech.

I don't share their optimism.

 

[filli_noctus]

I'm certain that the fact the president of Harvard is Drew Faust is somehow relevant.

 

[Traitorfish]

I've heard that also the very same people who told that one individual was a witch were burned too, because only heretics believe in witches.

Did this actually happen?

I've never heard of anyone being burned for it, but they could certainly be punished. The Spanish Inquisition actually convicted more people for making accusations of witchcraft than for attempting to practice it. [edit: What cybrxkhan said.]

(Mostly, in fact, the Inquisition was dedicated to persecuting Jews, homosexuals and adulterers. That just didn't get into the Black Legend, because Protestants generally agreed that Jews, homosexuals and adulterers were appropriate targets for persecution.)

 

[Kyriakos]

I am more interested in that plan for a 'Satan' statue in Oklahoma, which was presented a few months ago.
Surely the faithful of Satan in Oklahoma deserve an idol of Saturn

 

[bathsheba666]

This is pretty old.

I tried to form SatSoc at Bristol back in 72, basically as an excuse for a party in the quad one weekend.

However, our posters kept getting torn down by a bunch of anal retentives who called themselves Christians. We even took time to explain to them it was a joke. In turn they explained our mortal souls, along with everyone's in the surrounding city, were in peril so they carried on removing the posters.

We still got drunk that night but, as I had failed to secure the crucifix I was planning to hurl at old Nick on his appearance, perhaps we were very lucky he did not actually materialise.

He seems to be just as unreliable as God for putting in an appearance when wanted.

 

[Traitorfish]

Funny thing, I've actually been to a satanic event on a university campus, if a black metal gig in the union building qualifies as such. Nobody else really seem to care, or realise that it had occurred at all.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Are there instances of the Inquisition being used to purge nationalities or minorities (aside from Jews) that aren't fully integrated into the nation (ala Albiginesian Crusade, but with less heretics?)?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"reaffirm their respect for the Satanic faith and to demonstrate that the most powerful response to offensive speech is to shame those who marginalize others by letting their own words and actions speak for themselves."

Can anyone decipher what this actually means?

Yeah: I have nothing to say, but at least I'm going to make it sound meaningful.

 

[Traitorfish]

Are there instances of the Inquisition being used to purge nationalities or minorities (aside from Jews) that aren't fully integrated into the nation (ala Albiginesian Crusade, but with less heretics?)?

The Moriscos in Spain are the major example. They were Moorish Muslims who converted to Catholicism during the Reconquista, and like the conversos (Christians of Jewish ancestry) were constantly accused of religious black-sliding and treason, often by "ethnic Christians" (for want of a better term) with eyes on the property of the accused. They were eventually expelled altogether in 1609.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Satanism is not a serious religion, and for a university that was historically a theological institute to have played host to this little farce is distasteful in the extreme. I've heard interviews with the chief muckety-muck, and all they do is worship the individual as supreme, the ego. It's Objectivism with flair and even less substance, if that can be believed.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Yeah: I have nothing to say, but at least I'm going to make it sound meaningful.

I think it means the best way to criticize someone is let them be the one being heard, as if they are worth criticizing they will make it clear by their own speech.

I don't share their optimism.

I'm glad to see Harvard's English department is doing as well as their History department.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Now, the Catholics did burn witches, but they did so on the principle that witches don't actually exist, because that would be ridiculous, so anyone claiming to be a witch was actually a heretic. Which makes a certain kind of sense.

More importantly though, the very belief in witchcraft being a heresy (as established by the Council of Paderborn) was supposed to protect those whom others viewed as witches. It meant that anyone accusing anyone else of being a witch should punished for the very belief that witches existed. Witchhunters or courts that condemned witches would be considered murderers as well as heretics.

Of course, the Church itself only punished by excommunication. In countries where the secular government did not care, this would only mean that heretics would be denied the sacrament of the Eucharist until after confessing and doing penance and proclaiming the orthodox belief. In just so happened that most secular governments viewed heresy as an affront to their authority too, and so proscribed cruel and unusual punishments in their civil law. In those regions, it was important to avoid excommunication in order to retain the protection of the Church against the State.

 

[Leifmk]

Satanism is not a serious religion

Well, there's more than one type of Satanism (theistic as well as atheistic) and while they are all pretty marginal in terms of number of adherents I bet you can find someone who takes almost every variety seriously.