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Have you ever taken an IQ test?
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That's over 9000!
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its leff then 71000)( !
IQ tests are good for measuring the level of cognitive impairment, but IMO are useless for bragging rights. It comes down to how well you can do puzzles.
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I took one in high-school second grade, before they decided should I go to science or social, it was in range not an exact number, I think it was 128-135, but the best thing about that is, I'm really suck at school.
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Once at school. They told us they were not going to tell us the results because they wanted to avoid comparisons.
The next day school's principal came to my classroom and asked a girl to go with him because the psychologist wanted to "speak her due to the crappy results on her test"
Years later I took one wich was online and i got 126.
The next day school's principal came to my classroom and asked a girl to go with him because the psychologist wanted to "speak her due to the crappy results on her test"
Years later I took one wich was online and i got 126.
An IQ test from 1911 for age 6. I am not sure modern ones have a more rigorously tested methodology
A Practical Guide for the Administration of the Binet-Simon Scale for Measuring Intelligence
A Practical Guide for the Administration of the Binet-Simon Scale for Measuring Intelligence
So people over 60 would choose the ugly cartoon caricatures?
That's very ageist of you, Kyriakos.
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lower right is Ann B. Davis, maid from The Brady Bunch
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I was into IQ tests a lot back then. Mainly because at home and school I got called genius a lot.
When I worked at the best school for maths in my country, there were, naturally, many kids with IQ in range of 130 to 150.
Some were very exceptional, probably near 170.
Their mental processing speed was very, very fast. I was teaching bridge there and some could calculate probabilities in their head many moves in advance.
Actually even a 140 IQ person was able to do that and he was memorizing a lot of stuff fast.
The thing with any Mensa+ level person is that you need to be stimulated. You get bored very quickly if you are given "normal people" tasks. Normal is 105 IQ.
So many of them, those gifted kids, took up drugs/drinking/smoking just to entertain themselves. Because school was too easy for them.
Also, the higher your IQ is, the lonelier you are. Imagine, a normal person might read one book per week. If you can read 60-80 pages per hour, you can read several books per week.
If you have a great memory, you basically become a walking encyclopedia at some point in your youth.
Back when I was arrogant, I kept talking in scientific jargon to show off. I took part in erudition games. Won some. Did crosswords. Read books from fields I thought I knew the least about.
But for the most part I was sooooooooo bored.
So yes, I do agree with theory that there is correlation between 130+ IQ and predisposition towards some disorders.
On the other hand, there are some high IQ people who just aren't curious. They feel lucky that the school and job is easy, but they
drink beer and watch football just like average IQ people. They read a lot, but somehow still can enjoy normal activities. Like video games
or partying.
After working in that school and seeing some individuals who are, quite probably, in 150-170 range, higher than me, I realized that
natural processing power can get you only so far. You need very hard work. The problem with very gifted kids sometimes is that they haven't studied hard
ever, because everything came easy to them.
Try memorizing 10 pages of Kant and reciting them by heart. Or explaining PhD level of physics to someone. You won't get bored. But they don't
push themselves to limit and I don't understand that. For me as a teacher it is a waste of time to teach someone who doesn't care
about pushing him(her)self to the point their head hurts. Find your limit, stay close to it.
When I worked at the best school for maths in my country, there were, naturally, many kids with IQ in range of 130 to 150.
Some were very exceptional, probably near 170.
Their mental processing speed was very, very fast. I was teaching bridge there and some could calculate probabilities in their head many moves in advance.
Actually even a 140 IQ person was able to do that and he was memorizing a lot of stuff fast.
The thing with any Mensa+ level person is that you need to be stimulated. You get bored very quickly if you are given "normal people" tasks. Normal is 105 IQ.
So many of them, those gifted kids, took up drugs/drinking/smoking just to entertain themselves. Because school was too easy for them.
Also, the higher your IQ is, the lonelier you are. Imagine, a normal person might read one book per week. If you can read 60-80 pages per hour, you can read several books per week.
If you have a great memory, you basically become a walking encyclopedia at some point in your youth.
Back when I was arrogant, I kept talking in scientific jargon to show off. I took part in erudition games. Won some. Did crosswords. Read books from fields I thought I knew the least about.
But for the most part I was sooooooooo bored.
So yes, I do agree with theory that there is correlation between 130+ IQ and predisposition towards some disorders.
On the other hand, there are some high IQ people who just aren't curious. They feel lucky that the school and job is easy, but they
drink beer and watch football just like average IQ people. They read a lot, but somehow still can enjoy normal activities. Like video games
or partying.
After working in that school and seeing some individuals who are, quite probably, in 150-170 range, higher than me, I realized that
natural processing power can get you only so far. You need very hard work. The problem with very gifted kids sometimes is that they haven't studied hard
ever, because everything came easy to them.
Try memorizing 10 pages of Kant and reciting them by heart. Or explaining PhD level of physics to someone. You won't get bored. But they don't
push themselves to limit and I don't understand that. For me as a teacher it is a waste of time to teach someone who doesn't care
about pushing him(her)self to the point their head hurts. Find your limit, stay close to it.
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Hey! I meant if you are of an IQ above 60!!! Which I assume is all it takes to see the differences in the sketches and answer "as expected"So people over 60 would choose the ugly cartoon caricatures?
That's very ageist of you, Kyriakos.
In her pre-Brady Bunch days, Ann B. Davis was in Zeffirelli's version of Romeo and Juliet, as one of Juliet's extended family. She was beautiful, and so not like the caricature in the image upthread.
She's first visible at around 3:17 or so, and there's another shot later that makes just about everyone who ever watched The Brady Bunch do a double-take and exclaim, "That's Alice!"
Definitely no frumpy housekeeper.
For some reason, when I was about 9 or 10, my dad was asked to bring me to see some kind of school counselor at the school board building. I was interviewed and given an IQ test. When I asked how I'd done (since my mother at that time had me scared to fail at anything), they wouldn't tell me any exact scores, just that I was "above average."
To this day I don't know why any of this even happened. It was in the early 1970s, and I'd just switched not only schools, but school systems when I had to move in with my dad and his girlfriend and her four kids. I'd already done two grades in one year and so was a year younger than my classmates.
I do remember one horrible teacher who seemed to delight in picking on me because I'd come from a county school. I guess she had this notion that rural people are stupid, and had her nose in the air that "I don't know what you were taught there, but here you have to work."
So I showed her. Rank #1 in the class by the end of the year. Of course that meant I had the displeasure of being in her home room the following year since they put the higher-average kids in the split classes (Grades 5 and 6), and she had a further division in her own room - four of us who were considered the best at reading, so we had a different reading curriculum from the other Grade 6 kids.
She still went out of her way to be rude. She'd mock me with personal remarks and digs, and was one of those teachers (I've known a few over my years of schooling) who enjoyed embarrassing certain kids. Turns out I wasn't the only one who had that trip to the school counselor. The other one had no more idea than I did as to why.
But thinking back, it might have been because we came from that new phenomenon called "broken homes" and the teachers there couldn't wrap their heads around it, that a student might not live with both their parents. And in my case my dad and his girlfriend were living together while not married. That's no big deal now, but 50 years ago in this region, it wasn't common, or at least not something people wanted anyone else to know. Kinda hard to hide 5 kids in one household, though, two of whom were in the same grade and not related to each other.
Fortunately I never had to discover what that system's attitude was to this situation when we got to junior high school. My dad was kicked out, and though his girlfriend insisted she wanted to keep me (another baffling thing - why? She had to know I really didn't like her and desperately wanted to live with my grandparents). But I managed to get out of there. Thankfully, sanity saved. I don't want to speculate on how life would have been otherwise, since she kept trying to control my access to my grandparents.
Years later, I finally called the school board and told them about these counseling sessions and the IQ test. I said I just wanted to know why they'd happened. They told me, "Oh, we didn't keep any records, so we don't know."
My dad was satisfied with "better than average." He never got upset if there was something I had trouble with in school. He'd help if I asked, or would offer if he noticed there was something he could help with. That's how he helped me through a geometry-based problem that was preventing me from finishing one of my physical geography labs in college. I was reading at a high school level by age 8, but I've been math-challenged for most of my life.
It's been frustrating. Physics is fascinating, but once equations come into it, I'm lost.
Okay, thanks for clarifying, and I retract my "ageist" remark. It sounded like you were saying that if you're 60+ you'd find the older-looking drawings more attractive, since don't all old people prefer other old people? (that's part of what I heard growing up, when people had trouble comprehending why I didn't mind, and actually preferred, living with my grandparents)Hey! I meant if you are of an IQ above 60!!! Which I assume is all it takes to see the differences in the sketches and answer "as expected"
Sorry for misunderstanding.
dusters
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In her pre-Brady Bunch days, Ann B. Davis was in Zeffirelli's version of Romeo and Juliet, as one of Juliet's extended family. She was beautiful, and so not like the caricature in the image upthread.
She's first visible at around 3:17 or so, and there's another shot later that makes just about everyone who ever watched The Brady Bunch do a double-take and exclaim, "That's Alice!"
Definitely no frumpy housekeeper.
For some reason, when I was about 9 or 10, my dad was asked to bring me to see some kind of school counselor at the school board building. I was interviewed and given an IQ test. When I asked how I'd done (since my mother at that time had me scared to fail at anything), they wouldn't tell me any exact scores, just that I was "above average."
To this day I don't know why any of this even happened. It was in the early 1970s, and I'd just switched not only schools, but school systems when I had to move in with my dad and his girlfriend and her four kids. I'd already done two grades in one year and so was a year younger than my classmates.
I do remember one horrible teacher who seemed to delight in picking on me because I'd come from a county school. I guess she had this notion that rural people are stupid, and had her nose in the air that "I don't know what you were taught there, but here you have to work."
So I showed her. Rank #1 in the class by the end of the year. Of course that meant I had the displeasure of being in her home room the following year since they put the higher-average kids in the split classes (Grades 5 and 6), and she had a further division in her own room - four of us who were considered the best at reading, so we had a different reading curriculum from the other Grade 6 kids.
She still went out of her way to be rude. She'd mock me with personal remarks and digs, and was one of those teachers (I've known a few over my years of schooling) who enjoyed embarrassing certain kids. Turns out I wasn't the only one who had that trip to the school counselor. The other one had no more idea than I did as to why.
But thinking back, it might have been because we came from that new phenomenon called "broken homes" and the teachers there couldn't wrap their heads around it, that a student might not live with both their parents. And in my case my dad and his girlfriend were living together while not married. That's no big deal now, but 50 years ago in this region, it wasn't common, or at least not something people wanted anyone else to know. Kinda hard to hide 5 kids in one household, though, two of whom were in the same grade and not related to each other.
Fortunately I never had to discover what that system's attitude was to this situation when we got to junior high school. My dad was kicked out, and though his girlfriend insisted she wanted to keep me (another baffling thing - why? She had to know I really didn't like her and desperately wanted to live with my grandparents). But I managed to get out of there. Thankfully, sanity saved. I don't want to speculate on how life would have been otherwise, since she kept trying to control my access to my grandparents.
Years later, I finally called the school board and told them about these counseling sessions and the IQ test. I said I just wanted to know why they'd happened. They told me, "Oh, we didn't keep any records, so we don't know."
My dad was satisfied with "better than average." He never got upset if there was something I had trouble with in school. He'd help if I asked, or would offer if he noticed there was something he could help with. That's how he helped me through a geometry-based problem that was preventing me from finishing one of my physical geography labs in college. I was reading at a high school level by age 8, but I've been math-challenged for most of my life.
It's been frustrating. Physics is fascinating, but once equations come into it, I'm lost.
Okay, thanks for clarifying, and I retract my "ageist" remark. It sounded like you were saying that if you're 60+ you'd find the older-looking drawings more attractive, since don't all old people prefer other old people? (that's part of what I heard growing up, when people had trouble comprehending why I didn't mind, and actually preferred, living with my grandparents)
Sorry for misunderstanding.
I have to say the same. Of course it wasn't 1970s for me, but even in early 1990s it was unheard of that there would be a broken home. People simply didn't divorce. In USSR you had to ask the party (yes, right) if you can divorce.
It was one of my childhood tragedies. My mom started an affair with my dad knowing he is a married man. He told her that he isn't satisfied with marriage and is going to divorce eventually. That didn't happen.
So in the school someone knew from their parents that I'm a bastard child. It was very embarrassing. My dad lived with us for 3 years, but never divorced his wife. After those 3 years he went back to her.
As for school system - I wanted to skip grades, but my pronunciation at grade 1 was average. My math skill was 2-3 years ahead at least. And at that time skipping grades weren't normal.
I got into the best elementary school of whole city, maybe even whole country, and it was a math oriented school. I was still very bored. Teachers tried to normalize me, but it alienated me even more.
I started reading books at age of 4 and kept reading piles of them my whole childhood. My fellow kids had normal interests, nobody in my class, despite similar or better IQs, were so much into exploring the world and asking hard existential questions at age 7 to 10.
After graduating middle school my mom took me to psychologist to test me to see if I should continue in a math oriented high school or universal. The answer was that I'm universally gifted. At that time I didn't believe it, because I had huge problems learning Russian. My peers had Russian kids at playground, I lived in a very urban area and there were no playgrounds nearby. Others already knew Russian when they started to teach it at school at 5th grade. I had to start with the alphabet. On the other hand, I have been learning English since kindergarten age and while my grammar is lacking, after reading so much of classics, I could understand a lot by that same 5th grade.
Later in life I was bored in university and started learning French. Then German, Polish. Lithuanian was part of Baltic philology studies. Latin and Ancient Greek was part of classical philology studies.
Working in that supposedly best math oriented high school helped me with my arrogance and ego. I finally saw pupils who were clearly smarter than me. And who were able to talk about
philosophy at age of 13-16 without much problems. I made friends with one guy and we talked for days/weeks. I was 21, he was 16.
To sum it up, it is nice to talk to someone with similar IQ, but these days with politics, covid-19, conspiracy theories and propaganda everywhere, moral compass and intuition has to align as well.
The pursuit of a society to reduce the combined awareness, creativity and intelligence of the individual to a simple number, is imo the attribute of an ignorant society.
I agree with the poster who argued, that all that IQ tests are essentially good for, is detecting whether mental impairment is a factor, or not. The test I took back when I joined the navy, was basically designed to this purpose.
I agree with the poster who argued, that all that IQ tests are essentially good for, is detecting whether mental impairment is a factor, or not. The test I took back when I joined the navy, was basically designed to this purpose.
Extrapolating, I can see how a test can tell you if you have really above average intelligence, if (for example) you had never seen such a test before (or didn't routinely solve such) and it required you in less than a minute to identify a large number of interconnections. Typically those tests are about relative symmetry and dependence of the parts (eg in a progression).
The test won't tell you much if it is something you are already familiar with.
Intelligence isn't synonymous with creativity - though there are dependencies. Intelligence is strictly the degree of complexity (in whatever) you are capable of experiencing. It's why it doesn't matter how educated one is - they can in theory be more intelligent.
The test won't tell you much if it is something you are already familiar with.
Intelligence isn't synonymous with creativity - though there are dependencies. Intelligence is strictly the degree of complexity (in whatever) you are capable of experiencing. It's why it doesn't matter how educated one is - they can in theory be more intelligent.
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IQ tests are all about one's ego. There are a way for folks to feel superior to others and set themselves apart. Human mental and physical abilities are on some kind of scale that can vary across individuals and the items being measured. Depending upon one's culture the important items for measurement can be different. Smarter people like IQ type measurements; athletic people prefer running, jumping, throwing etc. measurements. Most people want to be measured in a way that makes them look good.
Things we like to measure when comparing ourselves to others:
- IQ
- Wealth
- Looks
- Income
- Trophies
- Followers
- Children
- etc.
