Herman Cain is schizophrenic?

[Bestbank Tiger]

I wonder how much "affirmative action" help Cain got while attending college, gaining employment, and later being selected as a CEO.

So you have a hard time believing a black man can be successful and intelligent without a handout?

 

[NickyJ]

I am convinced the polls are telling us that the majority want anybody but Mitt, except Perry, Santorium, Bachman, and Gingrich. Huntsman isn't conservative and Paul is a libertarian. Therefore I have concluded that there will be no Republican nominee. The party will be renamed the Pizza Party and will raise Cain to Godfather status.

No, even in the polls that show Cain leading, Romney is following very closely. If Cain does actually have a majority of support (which I doubt), he will probably lose it by running his mouth too long. Look for something Perryesque.

Look at the options.
Perry is a complete bust (not quite the saviour that this spring would be appointed president immediately upon announcing his candidacy).
Bachman is crazy.

Agreed with all of the above. But....

Romney is part of what a large proportion of the Republican base view as a cult. Not to mention he won't take a stand on most issues and has changed his view in the past four years on pretty much everything he has. He looks like he is already posturing for the general election, avoiding catering to the extreme, and expecting (or hoping for) the rest of the candidates implode.

The thing is that the extreme is strong enough to essentially block any moderate candidate, but don't have complete power and are split over their brand of crazy (i.e. religious right wanting government imposing "Christian morals" and libertarians wanting the government to do absolutely nothing). This makes it very difficult to find an acceptableand capable candidate.

Romney's religion is a manufactured issue by the media. Outside of a handful of loony tunes, nobody gives a darn. Romney has taken a stand on his issues. His changing views recently, while a bit of a turnoff, aren't enough to shut him down, and only provide a small dent. The rest of the candidates are easily portrayed as living on the fringe, thereby killing their chances. Overall, Romney is simply being calm. After all, why push to hard right now when his opponents are basically tearing each other to pieces?

I has skillz. Now bow before my awesome might and power!

Just to let you know, I would be careful about being around thunderstorms if I were you. Lightning can travel quite quickly.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Romney's religion is a manufactured issue by the media. Outside of a handful of loony tunes, nobody gives a darn. Romney has taken a stand on his issues. His changing views recently, while a bit of a turnoff, aren't enough to shut him down, and only provide a small dent. The rest of the candidates are easily portrayed as living on the fringe, thereby killing their chances. Overall, Romney is simply being calm. After all, why push to hard right now when his opponents are basically tearing each other to pieces?

Romney knows what he's doing as a politician. He comes across as smooth and polished. That's a very good thing in terms of being a successful candidate, but it has no correlation with being a good leader after the election. In fact, there's probably an inverse correlation. Slick, smooth-talking candidates got us into the mess we're in.

I would have to hold my nose to vote for Romney (or just vote third party). I don't like the timing of his flip-flops on moral issues. It would be one thing if he changed his mind and adopted a position that was politically inconvenient, but his position changes fit just a little too nicely with the electorate he needs to convince. He also had a mediocre at best record as governor of Massachusetts.

 

[Crezth]

The party will be renamed the Pizza Party and will raise Cain to Godfather status.

RAISE CAIN!

DOHOHOHOHOHO

Sorry. In that case, I'll leave the quote war with Crezth, but I will engage one last point with El_MachinaeL

Very good. I'll sheathe my sword. If you ever want to resume the debate, drop me a PM sometime.

Romney's religion is a manufactured issue by the media. Outside of a handful of loony tunes, nobody gives a darn. Romney has taken a stand on his issues. His changing views recently, while a bit of a turnoff, aren't enough to shut him down, and only provide a small dent. The rest of the candidates are easily portrayed as living on the fringe, thereby killing their chances. Overall, Romney is simply being calm. After all, why push to hard right now when his opponents are basically tearing each other to pieces?

But won't people plugged into the media (and don't pretend there aren't any) take the "issue" of Romney's religion to heart and reject him as a viable candidate? I already know some conservatives, personally, who can't say two straight words about the guy due to the media confusion.

 

[ParkCungHee]

You know, on the topic of the Jesus comments, Jesus most certainly did break the law. I'm just wondering how that sits him with the "law and order" crowd.

 

[NickyJ]

Romney knows what he's doing as a politician. He comes across as smooth and polished. That's a very good thing in terms of being a successful candidate, but it has no correlation with being a good leader after the election. In fact, there's probably an inverse correlation. Slick, smooth-talking candidates got us into the mess we're in.

I don't think we can dump candidates into the waste basket just because they're good orators. Otherwise, we could say that Pericles was a bad leader.

I would have to hold my nose to vote for Romney (or just vote third party). I don't like the timing of his flip-flops on moral issues. It would be one thing if he changed his mind and adopted a position that was politically inconvenient, but his position changes fit just a little too nicely with the electorate he needs to convince. He also had a mediocre at best record as governor of Massachusetts.

I will admit that I could very much prefer a better candidate (which is why I used to support Perry), but unfortunately, he's the best candidate we've got. He's the only person who actually seems to run anything resembling a Presidential campaign.

But won't people plugged into the media (and don't pretend there aren't any) take the "issue" of Romney's religion to heart and reject him as a viable candidate? I already know some conservatives, personally, who can't say two straight words about the guy due to the media confusion.

There are a few conservatives plugged into the media, but the majority are liberals who watch NBC, CBS, and ABC. Media might affect a few people, but I don't think it will be enough to decide the Republican nomination.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So you have a hard time believing a black man can be successful and intelligent without a handout?

Not at all. Take our current president, for example. Of course, there are countless others as well. Cain just apparently doesn't happen to be one of them from his own numerous bigoted and ignorant comments. He seems to be clearly unqualified to even properly run a major company, much less the United States.

 

[Crezth]

There are a few conservatives plugged into the media, but the majority are liberals who watch NBC, CBS, and ABC. Media might affect a few people, but I don't think it will be enough to decide the Republican nomination.

I have to disagree. I think the FOX News viewers/listeners have a very tenuous grasp of reality, especially when it comes to politics.

I also raise an eyebrow at accusations of other media stations being liberal-biased, because as a liberal I often don't find the general media to be sympathetic to the left wing. At all. Those stations have fairly moderate commentators... which I guess makes sense since the prevailing right-wing thought process is "If you're not with us, you're a communist."

The very fact that the slightest deviation from the right-wing line (see: Huntsman) paints you as a red I think belies the point.

It is this addiction to the pander-media and, more importantly, FOX News that I think will sound the death knell for Romney's chances. As if the Republicans weren't divided enough, from over here it does look like there's a concentrated effort to tear Romney down and build Cain up, especially since Perry gaffe'd his way into relative obscurity.

This could be an effort to unite the base because of how evenly each candidate has curried the favor of the right wing, in which case I guess it's a sound plan. But given that each candidate suffers from either foot-in-mouth disease or being hated by the media, it might not pan out.

Also speaking from the left wing, if Romney didn't have so much manufactured hate against him, he might honestly be the conservatives' best chance at winning the 2012 elections. He comes across as concentrated and precise, which many people appreciate. Why there's so much love for the furious lunatic Cain (and goddamn Palin of all people) as opposed to Romney... it boggles the mind.

 

[useless]

McCarthyism never really went away, Crezth.

 

[say1988]

Also speaking from the left wing, if Romney didn't have so much manufactured hate against him, he might honestly be the conservatives' best chance at winning the 2012 elections. He comes across as concentrated and precise, which many people appreciate. Why there's so much love for the furious lunatic Cain (and goddamn Palin of all people) as opposed to Romney... it boggles the mind.

He probably still is. The others have major problems in a general election. Beyond their pandering to the extreme (which Romney has done the least of, by far) to win the primaries, you have issues with Cain just being a terrible politician and make a number of really stupid comments.
Romney has a few mistakes and his flip-flopping issues, but he is the best one when it comes to getting any moderate votes.

 

[Cutlass]

I have to disagree. I think the FOX News viewers/listeners have a very tenuous grasp of reality, especially when it comes to politics.

I also raise an eyebrow at accusations of other media stations being liberal-biased, because as a liberal I often don't find the general media to be sympathetic to the left wing. At all. Those stations have fairly moderate commentators... which I guess makes sense since the prevailing right-wing thought process is "If you're not with us, you're a communist."

The very fact that the slightest deviation from the right-wing line (see: Huntsman) paints you as a red I think belies the point.

It is this addiction to the pander-media and, more importantly, FOX News that I think will sound the death knell for Romney's chances. As if the Republicans weren't divided enough, from over here it does look like there's a concentrated effort to tear Romney down and build Cain up, especially since Perry gaffe'd his way into relative obscurity.

This could be an effort to unite the base because of how evenly each candidate has curried the favor of the right wing, in which case I guess it's a sound plan. But given that each candidate suffers from either foot-in-mouth disease or being hated by the media, it might not pan out.

Also speaking from the left wing, if Romney didn't have so much manufactured hate against him, he might honestly be the conservatives' best chance at winning the 2012 elections. He comes across as concentrated and precise, which many people appreciate. Why there's so much love for the furious lunatic Cain (and goddamn Palin of all people) as opposed to Romney... it boggles the mind.

There is no liberal press in the US. Those saying so are just trying to discredit anything that isn't specifically pushing the conservative agenda.

 

[NickyJ]

I have to disagree. I think the FOX News viewers/listeners have a very tenuous grasp of reality, especially when it comes to politics.

Few people take Fox seriously, right or left.

I also raise an eyebrow at accusations of other media stations being liberal-biased, because as a liberal I often don't find the general media to be sympathetic to the left wing. At all. Those stations have fairly moderate commentators... which I guess makes sense since the prevailing right-wing thought process is "If you're not with us, you're a communist."

Meh, conservatives say that ABC, CBS, and NBC are liberal; liberals say Fox is conservative. How about we call it even?

The very fact that the slightest deviation from the right-wing line (see: Huntsman) paints you as a red I think belies the point.

Nobody has said he's Communist.

It is this addiction to the pander-media and, more importantly, FOX News that I think will sound the death knell for Romney's chances. As if the Republicans weren't divided enough, from over here it does look like there's a concentrated effort to tear Romney down and build Cain up, especially since Perry gaffe'd his way into relative obscurity.

Eh, Fox doesn't really seem to care about Romney one way or the other. They, along with the rest of the media, are mostly slobbering over Cain's Cinderella-storyesqeu run. Quite similar to the Newtster before he flopped like a salmon on rock.

This could be an effort to unite the base because of how evenly each candidate has curried the favor of the right wing, in which case I guess it's a sound plan. But given that each candidate suffers from either foot-in-mouth disease or being hated by the media, it might not pan out.

Outside of your occasional political commentator on each side, Romney isn't really all that hated.

Also speaking from the left wing, if Romney didn't have so much manufactured hate against him, he might honestly be the conservatives' best chance at winning the 2012 elections. He comes across as concentrated and precise, which many people appreciate. Why there's so much love for the furious lunatic Cain (and goddamn Palin of all people) as opposed to Romney... it boggles the mind.

I seriously doubt that there really is all that much love for Cain. As for the distrust of Romney, it's mostly from the conservative-libertarians, along with a few hardcore conservatives sprinkled on top. Overall, I think most of the party is ambivalent towards Romney: On the one hand, they don't fully trust him, on the other hand, nobody really seems like a better candidate. I expect people will take different candidates out on test drives, but eventually, after all the gaffe's and self-destruction outings, people will gravitate towards Romney for being the most stable and professional candidate.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

He seems to be clearly unqualified to even properly run a major company, much less the United States.

Well, Coca-Cola and Pillsbury disagree with you. I have a feeling they're juuuuuuuuuust a little more qualified than you are on the subject.

You don't have to like his views, but Herman Cain is not stupid.

 

[Formaldehyde]

They likely needed a token black to make up for all their other white male CEOs.

And if Cain isn't actually stupid, why does he contradict himself so frequently and say so many bigoted things? This thread topic is just one such example of the former.


Link to video.

The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country.

Too bad he obviously doesn't even know what the word means.

But I do agree with him about stupid politicians "ruining" America. He just needs to find a mirror.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

They likely needed a token black to make up for all their other white male CEOs.

Wow, just wow. Is it hard to type in those billowy robes?

 

[say1988]

And if Cain isn't actually stupid, why does he contradict himself so frequently and say so many bigoted things? This thread topic is just one such example of the former.

Maybe not stupid, but incompetence as a politician is an issue for him. I still don't think heintends to win. Who knows he may like it if itfalls into his lap, but the original intent was to sell books. Like Trump he put one thing out there to get media attention and has nothing to back it up.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Did you watch the video in the OP? He contradicts himself, it is repeatedly pointed out to him, and he still didn't get it. He probably still doesn't understand.

And the video I just posted above clearly shows he believes the myth that the US is superior to every other country. That the "lberals" are trying to "ruin" it by making us "mediocre" like everybody else.

Every time he speaks in public, he makes such statements.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Maybe not stupid, but incompetence as a politician is an issue for him. I still don't think heintends to win. Who knows he may like it if itfalls into his lap, but the original intent was to sell books. Like Trump he put one thing out there to get media attention and has nothing to back it up.

Yeah, but he's BLACK. Therefore he MUST be an affirmative action baby and a token.

He would only be acceptable to certain people if he were light-skinned and had been raised by the white half of his family. And of course, if he were "clean and articulate" with "no Negro dialect" (not my words, but the words of the bigoted Democratic Vice-President and the bigoted Democratic Senate leader).

But a dark-skinned black man MUST be stupid, especially if he makes a gaffe during the campaign.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Did you watch the video in the OP? He contradicts himself, it is repeatedly pointed out to him, and he still didn't get it. He probably still doesn't understand.

And the video I just posted above clearly shows he believes the myth that the US is superior to every other country. That the "lberals" are trying to "ruin" it by making us "mediocre" like everybody else.

Obama says insurance companies are evil but supports an individual mandate. That's a contradiction. He thinks "Austrian" is a language (very Bush-like). He lectures the rest of us about paying their fair share while appointing tax cheats. Senator Obama opposed raising the debt ceiling, but President Obama said not raising the debt ceiling was irresponsible.

By your standard, Obama is stupid but you call him intelligent for some reason. Make up your mind....either gaffes and contradicting yourself make someone stupid, in which case Obama is, or it doesn't, in which case you can't use it to question Cain. (I don't believe either is stupid, but I also don't accuse successful black people of getting ahead on their race.)

 

[katipunero]

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Link to video.