Hipster Hitler IRL

[Tahuti]

I can't help but think someone has taken the Hipster Hitler cartoons a bit too seriously:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...trying-to-put-a-stylish-face-on-hate-20140623

 

[Kyriakos]

^Those bavarians don't particularly look like the hipster hitler meme, though..

This is one of the memes:

Sometimes turning something upside down pretty much leaves the same

(almost decent beetles allusion too, i suppose).

 

[Quackers]

I'm not sure if this is more insulting to hipsters or nazis.

 

[Traitorfish]

We had something like this in the UK, the "British Culture movement" or some such bollocks. Basically a lot of public school tossers who wanted to think of themselves as youthful trendsetters, but also wanted to vote for the BNP. It didn't last very long.

Can't see this working out much better. Hipsterism tends towards cosmopolitanism, androgyny and ironic distance, but the Nazi ideal is explicitly provincial, hypermasculine and painful sincerity. The anarcho-Nazis at least had the right amount of macho and bluster, but these guys are just a walking contradiction.

 

[Quackers]

We had something like this in the UK, the "British Culture movement" or some such bollocks. Basically a lot of public school tossers who wanted to think of themselves as youthful trendsetters, but also wanted to vote for the BNP. It didn't last very long.

Do you have a link? I didn't get anything off googling "British Culture movement".

 

[Tahuti]

Can't see this working out much better. Hipsterism tends towards cosmopolitanism, androgyny and ironic distance, but the Nazi ideal is explicitly provincial, hypermasculine and painful sincerity.

Hipsterism is pretty much aligned to back-to-the-land movements of 1960s counterculture, which can rhyme well with provincialism. There is not necessarily a contradiction between cosmopolitanism and provincialism.

 

[Kyriakos]

Do you have a link? I didn't get anything off googling "British Culture movement".

Maybe he meant King George and the Culture Club

 

[Traitorfish]

Hipsterism is pretty much aligned to back-to-the-land movements of 1960s counterculture, which can rhyme well with provincialism. There is not necessarily a contradiction between cosmopolitanism and provincialism.

Local-grown veg does not a provincial ideology make.

 

[Quackers]

Maybe he meant King George and the Culture Club

In all likelyhood its probably some boogeyman myth the British far left rile themselves up with.

It's got two big "triggers" to invoke an emotional response. Public school boys! BNP!
Those words will elicit natural defensiveness and outrage; the typical far left activist can pretend he is fighting a real class war!

Still googling and finding nothing.

 

[bhsup]

Just to ensure I have it clear in my head, public school means exactly the opposite in the UK as it does in the US, correct? Over here public schools are the standard state run schools that the vast majority of kids go to and private schools are the ones run by, for example, the Roman Catholic Church, Baptist Church, or whatever that parents pay out of pocket (instead of via taxes) to send their kids to.

( Please, no retorts about voucher systems and whatnot. I am just trying to clarify public/private so I can be sure what is meant by them when they say "public school boys" and am not trying to start a debate on taxpayer vouchers for private schools)

 

[Quackers]

Just to ensure I have it clear in my head, public school means exactly the opposite in the UK as it does in the US, correct? Over here public schools are the standard state run schools that the vast majority of kids go to and private schools are the ones run by, for example, the Roman Catholic Church, Baptist Church, or whatever that parents pay out of pocket (instead of via taxes) to send their kids to.

( Please, no retorts about voucher systems and whatnot. I am just trying to clarify public/private so I can be sure what is meant by them when they say "public school boys" and am not trying to start a debate on taxpayer vouchers for private schools)

Correct. Public schools are...private and fee paying. Only wealth families can afford to send their children to these schools. We call our government run schools "state schools".

So it sends your average lefty in a tailspin. Amgawd a Nazi and from the ruling class? /brain overloads with outrage/

 

[Tahuti]

Still googling and finding nothing.

It is an esoteric left-wing term.

 

[Quackers]

It is an esoteric left-wing term.

At first I thought he was referring to the Tory party at first or some far-out link to Nick Griffin; but you never know with TF...

 

[Traitorfish]

In all likelyhood its probably some boogeyman myth the British far left rile themselves up with.
...
Still googling and finding nothing.

Actually, I read about in the Guardian or the Independent, I forget which, and they were presented with a tone of slightly patronising amusement. It was a couple of years back, so I'm probably getting the name wrong. Although as I said, it seems to have been a pretty short-lived project anyway, so I don't know how much of an online presence it would ever actually have.

So it sends your average lefty in a tailspin. Amgawd a Nazi and from the ruling class? /brain overloads with outrage/

I note the implication that only lefties take issue with Nazism. Hopefully unintentional.

edit: Ah, found them! They were called the National Culturists, apparently, and their hipsterly-inclined leader Jack Buckby aimed "to provide young people with the opportunity to learn about a position that is ignored in modern universities". No activity since last September, so it's probably fair to say that didn't go as well as they'd hoped.

 

[Tahuti]

I note the implication that only lefties take issue with Nazism. Hopefully unintentional.

Nazism as a movement with significant following is dead. There are a few spinoffs, and a few legit Nazis that have no significant followers.

You can't really compare modern ideologies with Nazism. You can point out how modern ideologies have an ideological predecessor in common with Nazism.

 

[Traitorfish]

I'd contend that Nazism remains abhorrent regardless of how many adherents it can claim.

 

[Tahuti]

Almost everyone who isn't Nazi thinks the same way.

That being said, Nazism did have ideological predecessors in ideologies also contributed to modern lines of thinking and in the same way that allowed Nazism to bring about the carnage it unleashed.

 

[bhsup]

Amgawd a Nazi and from the ruling class?

I am so sorry, Quackers, I just couldn't resist!

 

[Quackers]

edit: Ah, found them! They were called the National Culturists, apparently, and their hipsterly-inclined leader Jack Buckby aimed "to provide young people with the opportunity to learn about a position that is ignored in modern universities". No activity since last September, so it's probably fair to say that didn't go as well as they'd hoped.

Interesting.
They don't appear to be nazis or a "sub culture", just one public school boy's website, but I'll put that down to the fact you read about them a couple of years ago, old memories are useless. In fact some of their beliefs are quite reasonable.

Ok, just got to the interview on Vice. He has some...weird views.

 

[Traitorfish]

Like I said, this sort project is pretty much inherently doomed to failure. Far-right subcultures have always thrived on overt machismo, but overt machismo doesn't hasn't retained much of credibility in "respectable" society. The only remaining point of crossover between respectability and machismo is the military, and they've have made a thorough policy of distancing themselves from the far-right.