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Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?
 
Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?

It has action and a lot of interesting stories compressed into small bites. It also works best in a video medium by providing constant action and explosions giving it additional exposure. I would also note that most people reading it probably aren't so much interested in history as warfare in general (which has always been a very popular topic).
 
ı can guess at least half the military bookmarket expressly caters for modellers , the figure painters , scale aircraft builders and stuff . Looking at model prices one can assume modellers are pretty rich .
 
I'm adding Vladimir Lenin to my CIV mod, and I'm wondering: what should his diplomacy theme be? I'm currently using The Red Army is the Strongest, but I'm beginning to think that the Internationale would fit him as well.
 
Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?



Same reason war movies are. That's where the action is.
 
Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?

Because it's badass. You get over-hyped speeches, men marching in turn, loud, martial music, explosions, gunfire, dramatic deaths and all that stuff. It's very moving.
 
Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?

Because playing war is really popular. People like to play games about war, watch movies about war, read books about war. They like playing war as much as they dislike going to war.
 
Not so much a history question as a question about history, but: why is military history so goddam popular? I was in a bookshop yesterday and they had almost as much room given to military history as everything else put together, and I'm still reeling a little from the horror of realisation. I get that it is for a lot of people more exciting than hefty tomes about late 18th century tableware production in North-Southwest Belgium, but that much more popular?
Popular with the mass market? Yeah.

Popular with academia? ahahahahahahahahaha
 
I'm adding Vladimir Lenin to my CIV mod, and I'm wondering: what should his diplomacy theme be? I'm currently using The Red Army is the Strongest, but I'm beginning to think that the Internationale would fit him as well.

Белая армия черный барон (the song you called "Red Army is the Strongest") is a lot more epic and Russian sounding.


Link to video.
 
The song is nice. I've heard it before. But what the heck have Putin & Medvedev to do with the Red Army ???

Белая армия черный барон (the song you called "Red Army is the Strongest") is a lot more epic and Russian sounding.

Yes but "Internationale" is really Communist while Russian sounding "Red Army is the Strongest" is nationalistic / chauvinistic.

And Russians were only 1/2 of all inhabitants of the Soviet Union and of all soldiers of the Red Army, by the way.

Same reason war movies are. That's where the action is.

Actually I consider most of war movies as inaccurate crap. But that's because I know a lot about real military history.
 
To be fair a movie can be both innacurate and filled with action. In fact in many cases if they stuck to the real or proven events a lot of the action would disapear or be far too expensive to reproduce.
 
Russian sounding "Red Army is the Strongest" is nationalistic / chauvinistic.

And Russians were only 1/2 of all inhabitants of the Soviet Union and of all soldiers of the Red Army, by the way.
I must be missing something, but how is the song "The Red Army is the Strongest" Russian nationalist when, as you said, a large portion of the Red Army was non-Russian?
 
Well. Aren't you guys so cool.
 
... Sweden had a practice of armed neutrality, similar to Switzerland; namely, while Sweden wasn't powerful enough to have successfully defended itself from an attack by either side in WWI or WWII, it was powerful enough that all sides wanted to avoid antagonising it out of fear of the problems it could cause them.

Hence the Swedish nuclear weapons programme, helped by the fact that they had a uranium resource within their BFC....

Since WWII the Scandinavian states have remained as neutral as possible, but this isn't exactly uncommon in global affairs during this period. Sweden in particular had nothing to gain by antagonising either side in the Cold War, and the multipolarisation of the globe since the end of the Cold War means that the Scandinavian sides have no real need to choose sides. They'll likely integrate themselves, slowly, into the EU as time goes by, provided that institution doesn't collapse like a house of cards any time soon.

The earlier part was great, but this is seriously misleading. Denmark and Norway were not neutral during the Cold War - they were armed members of NATO, as they still are today. "As neutral as possible" is a nice euphemism for Finlandization though! Denmark (1973), Sweden (1995) and Finland (1995) have already integrated themselves into the EU, although only Finland is in the Eurozone. Norway isn't likely to join the EU until they've spent all their oil money - which may well be a century away, since they're handling it with typically Lutheran honesty and efficiency.

And it's surprising to see neutrality described as a common position for the Post-war era. It's usually portrayed as a world divided into two heavily-armed camps. It should perhaps also be noted that while Sweden was military neutral, and Finland in a Soviet sphere of influence, they were both social democratic societies, not Communists. That was significant and courageous in an era when "whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach" (Stalin, according to Djilas).
 
The earlier part was great, but this is seriously misleading. Denmark and Norway were not neutral during the Cold War - they were armed members of NATO, as they still are today.
And Czechoslovakia was a member of the Warsaw Pact when the Prague Spring was crushed. Simply being an official member of an alliance doesn't mean you have a lot to do with that alliance's actions. Though I freely admit that I was thinking far more of Sweden in that post than any of the other Scandinavian states.

"As neutral as possible" is a nice euphemism for Finlandization though!
I'm well-aware of the concept of Finlandisation. For a while there it looked like Austria might go the same way.

Denmark (1973), Sweden (1995) and Finland (1995) have already integrated themselves into the EU, although only Finland is in the Eurozone. Norway isn't likely to join the EU until they've spent all their oil money - which may well be a century away, since they're handling it with typically Lutheran honesty and efficiency.
Hence my description of them as "slowly integrating themselves into the EU." Several Scandinavian states are members, but there's more to being part of the EU than simply being a member-state. Look at the UK.

And it's surprising to see neutrality described as a common position for the Post-war era. It's usually portrayed as a world divided into two heavily-armed camps.
And that portrayal is quite incorrect. The only places that were really "heavily-armed" during the Cold War were the USSR and the US, along with a few fringe states like Israel, the Koreas and Iran, all of which had obvious reasons for involving themselves in an arms race that were only peripherally related to the primary conflict between the superpowers. Many states, such as India, were almost forced into picking sides during the Cold War despite their attempts to remain neutral, whereas there were other states, notably Egypt, which used the whole thing simply as an excuse to play both sides off against each other. Albania and Yugoslavia were Communist states that had as little to do with the USSR as possible, for example, while Japan had a very sizable Communist party that had absolutely nothing to do with either Moscow or Beijing. The Cold War was very, very complex.

It should perhaps also be noted that while Sweden was military neutral, and Finland in a Soviet sphere of influence, they were both social democratic societies, not Communists. That was significant and courageous in an era when "whoever occupies a territory also imposes on it his own social system. Everyone imposes his own system as far as his army can reach" (Stalin, according to Djilas).
And Stalin's army couldn't impose communism on either states, so I fail to see your point. It's also an incorrect statement by Stalin, since most states are quite happy to let their allies and clients keep their internal policies. How many non-communist states did Moscow and Beijing ally themselves with, and how many dictatorships did the US prop up? If Stalin said that - and I've never seen the quote before - he was pretty far off-base, if not outright lying for his audience.
 
Hence my description of them as "slowly integrating themselves into the EU." Several Scandinavian states are members, but there's more to being part of the EU than simply being a member-state. Look at the UK.

I think that's a curious way to put it. Yes, integration is a process, and it's now a multi-speed process. But the fact that you're on the integration train is surely more significant than whether you're in the front or rear carriage.*

And that portrayal is quite incorrect. The only places that were really "heavily-armed" during the Cold War were the USSR and the US, along with a few fringe states like Israel, the Koreas and Iran, all of which had obvious reasons for involving themselves in an arms race that were only peripherally related to the primary conflict between the superpowers. Many states, such as India, were almost forced into picking sides during the Cold War despite their attempts to remain neutral, whereas there were other states, notably Egypt, which used the whole thing simply as an excuse to play both sides off against each other. Albania and Yugoslavia were Communist states that had as little to do with the USSR as possible, for example, while Japan had a very sizable Communist party that had absolutely nothing to do with either Moscow or Beijing. The Cold War was very, very complex.

I agree completely that the Cold War was complex, and there were all kinds of non-bipolar local situations. However, "neutrality" has an established tradition in northern Europe: a national decision not to participate in war or military alliances (within Europe; colonial native-massacring never counted). By "national decision", I don't mean the population is consulted, but that it's a written or unwritten constitutional principle. Belgium had it from 1830-1914, Norway had it 1905-40, Ireland, Sweden & Switzerland have had it for aeons. That's quite different from the Non-Aligned Movement (e.g. Indonesia and India fought wars to increase their territory during this period).

And Stalin's army couldn't impose communism on either states, so I fail to see your point. It's also an incorrect statement by Stalin, since most states are quite happy to let their allies and clients keep their internal policies. How many non-communist states did Moscow and Beijing ally themselves with, and how many dictatorships did the US prop up? If Stalin said that - and I've never seen the quote before - he was pretty far off-base, if not outright lying for his audience.

My point was that the military neutrality doesn't mean they were sitting exactly midway between the two camps. In the words of Chairman Mao, they leaned to one side - and it was the West. So the OP should reflect that in his/her strategies.

While I think that your comment about internal policies holds at some points in history, isn't the Stalin quotation quite a good description of the postwar situation? It's not about constitutional regimes, it's about social systems, and you don't need me to tell you that Marxist analysis ties them closely to economic systems. How many countries with planned economies did the US support? Your best bet would probably be the UK in the late 40s. The Allende coup is highly telling here: the US was absolutely not willing to tolerate changes in internal policies. Even the most distant Sino/Soviet allies moved to planned economies and nationalization (e.g. Cuba, Angola). The economics affected the wider society. Being a dissident writer in postwar Brazil or 70s Argentina was a risky business - but Albania didn't have any effective dissidents at all.

As a general rule, military alliances and social systems were aligned. The Finns had Soviet troops on their soil, but preserved their Western society. Noteworthy - and brave.

*(Those two sentences are different metaphors by the way!)
 
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