History questions not worth their own thread IV

[Cheezy the Wiz]

You say that as though the concept of states with borders determined by ethnic-nationalistic masturbation make any sense in and of themselves.

You say that as if there is a concept of nation-states that doesn't involve ethnic-nationalistic masturbation on some level.

 

[Lone Wolf]

You say that as though the concept of states with borders determined by ethnic-nationalistic masturbation make any sense in and of themselves.

It's the former Soviet Union we're talking about. Assuming ethno-nationalistic masturbation is mandatory.

 

[Dachs]

You say that as if there is a concept of nation-states that doesn't involve ethnic-nationalistic masturbation on some level.

Uh, civic nationalism?

 

[Traitorfish]

And they call me a utopian...

 

[Dachs]

And they call me a utopian...

Not going to get into an argument about whether civic nationalism actually exists and is relevant, though I obviously think that it is, but he did ask for a concept. A rather startling memory lapse on his part, since he is supposedly into the Soviet Union.

 

[Traitorfish]

(For the record, I do think that civic nationalism exists and is relevant, I just think that there's usually some arsehole who will end up ethnicising it one way or the other. But mostly I just wanted to make a snide remark. )

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Not going to get into an argument about whether civic nationalism actually exists and is relevant, though I obviously think that it is, but he did ask for a concept. A rather startling memory lapse on his part, since he is supposedly into the Soviet Union.

Guilty as charged. I blame eight pints of Guinness, 15 hours of work, a long car ride home, and being up way past my bed time.

 

[Civciv5]

Are there any (known) direct descendants of the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt?

 

[Dachs]

Are there any (known) direct descendants of the ancient Pharaohs of Egypt?

Family histories don't go back that far for anyone.

 

[Tee Kay]

Family histories don't go back that far for anyone.

IIRC the Osmanlis claim descent from Noah.

 

[Lord Baal]

Family histories don't go back that far for anyone.

Confucius? We could (theoretically) work it out from the dna we have, could we not? Of course, it would take a tremendous amount of luck in finding someone who happened to be a descendant.

 

[Lord Baal]

IIRC the Osmanlis claim descent from Noah.

And the royal families of two or three European states claimed descent from Priam. Not really supportable.

 

[Masada]

I suppose if Confucius was a chick.

 

[Lord Baal]

I suppose if Confucius was a chick.

How do you figure that? Mitochondrial Confucius?

 

[Masada]

Yeah, that's exactly how I figured it.

 

[Tee Kay]

There's an official "main line of descent". How accurate it is I don't know.

 

[sydhe]

There's a good probability that everyone on Earth is descended from Confucius. The family tree project seems to be interested primarily in the Kong lineage, but when you take into account lines that pass through female descendants, it would be much, much larger.

 

[Lord Baal]

There's a good probability that everyone on Earth is descended from Confucius. The family tree project seems to be interested primarily in the Kong lineage, but when you take into account lines that pass through female descendants, it would be much, much larger.

Confucius didn't live anywhere near long-enough ago for that to happen.

 

[Tee Kay]

Confucius could've had a lot of illegitimate children?

 

[Dachs]

also, he could've traveled to the americas and africa in secret