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History questions not worth their own thread IV

Discussion in 'World History' started by Plotinus, Apr 13, 2012.

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  1. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Priam, pfft, that's baby stuff. The King of Denmark can trace his decent to Odin.
     
  2. schlaufuchs

    schlaufuchs La Femme Moderne

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    lol. Confucius the continent crossing rake. I like that. They should make it into a tv show.
     
  3. Joecoolyo

    Joecoolyo 99% Lightspeed

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    I assume he hitched a ride with Zheng He and impregnated his all female crew.
     
  4. Leoreth

    Leoreth Prince of Blood Moderator

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    Well Zheng He certainly couldn't! :p
     
  5. sydhe

    sydhe King of Kongs

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    25 centuries is 62 generations at 40 yrs/generations, which is 4,000,000,000,000,000,000 lines of ancestry (obviously tens of billions of them going back to the same person). It doesn't take all that much wandering for you to have some ancestors from pretty much anywhere, especially since Chinese emperors would send off Imperial princesses as part of peace treaties with barbarians, and I'm sure some of Confucius's descendants married into Imperial families.
     
  6. Lord Baal

    Lord Baal Deity

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    In theory, yes, enough time has passed. But in actual practice, lineages die out, closed communities avoid any outsider genes, and Confucius obviously couldn't cross any bloody oceans to the Americas, let alone more isolated communities like Easter Island and Bermuda. It is unlikely enough that Confucius has a significant number of European descendants - though he likely has some, given the length of time that has passed - let alone has descendants amongst Native Americans, Polynesians, and other distant groups. How would Confucius's genes make it to the Amazon, just to give one example?
     
  7. sydhe

    sydhe King of Kongs

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    (1) Among the peoples imperial princesses would have been sent to are Turks, Mongols and probably Huns, all of whom left descendants in Europe many centuries ago. The Huns ruled as far as the Rhine, and the Magyars raided as far as Aquitaine.
    (2) Native Americans have not been a closed community for five hundred years. Pretty much all Native Americans by this point would have a few ancestors who came from Europe.
    (3) Bermuda is not all that isolated when you take the time span into account. Europeans have been settling there for four hundred years. Easter Island, possibly, although they've been visited by Europeans for a couple of hundred years, not to mention slave raiders in the 1860s, missionaries, archeologists, sheep ranchers (as if the island wasn't denuded enough)...
     
  8. Masada

    Masada Koi-san!

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    Indigenous Australians with no European ancestors? I know more than a few of those. I'm also familiar with a large number of Polynesians with no European ancestry.
     
  9. Lord Baal

    Lord Baal Deity

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    You really can't admit when you're obviously wrong, can you? It's not a good habit to have.
     
  10. Masada

    Masada Koi-san!

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    Nope, he can't. Also, Magyars aren't Turks, Mongols or Huns; and the Huns were not Xiongnu.
     
  11. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Deity

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    I feel this should be somewhere everyone should see before posting. Possibly int the board's name.
     
  12. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    So can the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Ostensibly.
     
  13. Millman

    Millman Mark the Magnificent

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    It sounds like the theme of this debate is it's a miracle we're all still here. There's plenty of ways we could have been wiped out by now.

    Picking why a civilization is more relevent than another is bias.
     
  14. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    You know, we've got a lot of people who are barely coherent, a lot of people who are crazy, and even a few that combine the two (r16, Borachio...), but I have to say, I missed your particular brand of unstructured lunacy, Millman.
     
  15. ParkCungHee

    ParkCungHee Deity

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    Okay, here's what I can't wrap my head around. How can you track your decent to Odin but not trace you decent to Buri?
     
  16. rugbyLEAGUEfan

    rugbyLEAGUEfan Deity

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    You say this like coherency is a good thing . I think a lack of would improve alot of posting
     
  17. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

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    I beg to differ. Personally I'd rather be outraged at an inflammatory but coherent post than read incomprehensible babble.
     
  18. rugbyLEAGUEfan

    rugbyLEAGUEfan Deity

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    My beef lies with stupidity , not flammability .

    Note , I'm not ruling myself out of this either
     
  19. Lord Baal

    Lord Baal Deity

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    Then what are you doing in World History? :p
     
  20. west india man

    west india man Immortal

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    Assuming that lineage goes through William the Conqueror, that means I myself can also trace my ancestry to Odin.

    Back on topic, EU3 mods tell me that the Red Turban Rebellion had several factions trying to topple the Yuan dynasty. What happened to them after the Ming took power?
     
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