History questions not worth their own thread IV

[ace99]

Mongolia's a notable exception, although I queried whether British troops might have entered it during the Russian Civil War. Leoreth is, I suppose, correct.

 

[Yeekim]

What's Ungern-Sternberg got to do with the British?

 

[ace99]

If a Baltic German-Russian baron could end up in Mongolia whose to say the British couldn't either? They seem to be counting even small expeditions like the one to Tibet so its conceivable.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Well, Russia actually bordered Mongolia.

 

[Dachs]

And the Younghusband Expedition was actually reasonably important for the subsequent history of Tibet

 

[Traitorfish]

There was actually a guy called "Younghusband"?

 

[madviking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Younghusband

Apparently so.

 

[say1988]

If a Baltic German-Russian baron could end up in Mongolia whose to say the British couldn't either? They seem to be counting even small expeditions like the one to Tibet so its conceivable.

The German was a General in the Russian Army (an army of a country that borders Mongolia), not the Austrian Army.

In contrast the British expedition to Tibet was done by the British Army, not a British born man in the service of a foreign country.

 

[Masada]

He moved to Tallinn at age 3, was educated inside the Russian Empire and spent his adult life in service to the Tsar. Granted, none of this makes him an ethnic Russian, but it does make him a member of the large multi-ethnic Russian Empire. His position seems to me analogous to that of many Scots of the period: not English but proudly British.

 

[ace99]

Edit. That wasn't supposed to go there

 

[H4run]

someone recommend a book for me to read name The March of Folly by Barbara Tuchman, is it a good book or not? because I don't have so much time to learn, if I read I want to read a right book to read.

Despite of the award that the author gave, what do you think also about her credibility objectively?

 

[Dachs]

Tuchman was not an objective author and I generally find the overall portrait of prewar Europe that she painted in that book to be incomplete at best, misleading at worst. I suppose it's well written enough for what it is, but the analysis is not worth your time. Read it if you've got absolutely nothing better to do.

 

[H4run]

Read it if you've got absolutely nothing better to do.

That is the things, I really don't have so much time to spend as I also have to divide my time in many categories including studying language.

Could you recommend a book for me then? that talk about Jews and Europe around 1000 bc until medieval period, because I find her name when I discussing about the Jew separation between Judah and Bettlehem and all of the event after that.

I want to have a clear picture or you can say an alternative picture so I can get another line in between on what really happen with the Jews under Assyrian, Babylonian and later Rome rule.

Less political or race supremacy tendencies on history interpretation will be good, better if it have a radical point of view or a new things to offer or oppositing the grand narative.

I read Max I Dimmont but again its very dissatisfying for me reading a Jew strong nationalist and his overblown tendencies toward Jew as a race.

 

[Dachs]

I can honestly say that my experience with academic works on the history of Judaism and/or "the Jews" has been vanishingly small. Sorry.

The Proud Tower, weirdly, has nothing whatsoever to do with either Judaism or medieval Europe.

 

[H4run]

I can honestly say that my experience with academic works on the history of Judaism and/or "the Jews" has been vanishingly small. Sorry.

The Proud Tower, weirdly, has nothing whatsoever to do with either Judaism or medieval Europe.

nice reply however I will have a look on your recommendation, thank you Dachs.

 

[H4run]

hey wait, but the book that you recommend me it also from Tuchman? you mean she not objective only in "The March of the Folley" but you credit her objectivity in "The Proud Tower"? Honestly I never read any of her books.

 

[Dachs]

No, I didn't recommend either book. I accidentally confused the two. My mistake.

The March of Folly does have to do with some Jews in some parts of Europe, I guess. The whole book is basically just a sketch of limited value anyway. And I hated the treatment of the crusade of Nikopolis.

 

[Yeekim]

The author actually makes that argument. But says the closest he could find records of was 50 miles from the border.

Have you actually read the book? Because I'm wondering what events caused Estonia to be added into the "invaded by British" list.
All I can think of is the British fleet that gave us support during War of Independence...

in December 1918, Alexander-Sinclair's 6th Squadron was sent to the Baltic, at the request of Estonian Government, to take part in the Estonian War of Independence. They delivered 6500 rifles, 200 machine guns and two field guns. The British squadron also captured two Russian destroyers, Spartak and Avtroil, and turned them over to Estonia, which renamed them Vambola and Lennuk. Alexander-Sinclair then blockaded the Russian Navy base at Kronstadt[1] until relieved by the 1st Light Cruiser Squadron under Rear-Admiral Walter Cowan.

Was in counted as an "invasion" then?

 

[say1988]

No I haven't read it. Just an article I read about it (and linked above) gave his opinion on Mongolia.

I suspect he would count that because he was pretty generous with what he counted. it seems like, a pop history piece more than anything else. The British also provided a very limited number of tanks an crews that took part in attacking the Soviets along Baltic coast, though I don't know if they specifically operated in Estonia.

You also have naval actions along the coast along with a blockade in 1808-1809.

Remember it isn't him saying they "invaded Estonia" but they invade territory now belonging to Estonia.

 

[Yeekim]

The British also provided a very limited number of tanks an crews that took part in attacking the Soviets along Baltic coast, though I don't know if they specifically operated in Estonia.

Indeed, you are right. Yudenich received 8 tanks from the British to support his Petrograd offensive, apparently with instructors.
I forgot about them, because they were only delivered to Estonian army after he retreated and didn't see any more combat afterwards.