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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Caveman 2 Cosmos' started by Hydromancerx, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Praetyre

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    Not to go off topic, but if it's possible for :culture: to contribute towards buildings, could it do the same for certain technologies? I've always wanted to have things like Cultural Identity, Philosophy, Democracy, Dada, Surrealism and so forth be researched with :culture:. Provides a good use for it outside of Cultural/Domination games and seems a lot more realistic and natural to boot. That, and if Civ V can do it with civics...
     
  2. Dancing Hoskuld

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    I don't like the idea of individual holidays as part of the game. We have tourism which represents the "annual holidays" workers get. perhaps we can extend it backwards to include "Pilgrimages" which are both duty and perhaps where the idea of a trip away being a holiday comes from.

    Then comes the "Gap Year":lol:
     
  3. Hydromancerx

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    I was thinking about this topic again and perhaps holidays could be unlocked when you reach different culture levels. The more culture you have the more holidays you can make? I don't know. Just trying to think of an extra benefit for having high culture.
     
  4. WontonAlertBulb

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    What about having like a "festival" unit which could use a golden age like ability to give increasd gold and culture for five turns but decreased production? Not sure if it would be possible but it would be cool to have it cost culture or temporarily buff happiness. Just a few ideas.
     
  5. Dancing Hoskuld

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    City only "golden ages" are also a possibility to be considered. Historical example from Roman Empire - the city the current emperor was from got all sorts of new buildings from the emperor while he reigned.
     
  6. Hydromancerx

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    That's not a bad idea. I was also thinking about adding a "Grand Tournament" at Tournaments techs.

    I also recall that back in old RoM/AND that both the Olympics and World's Fair would travel from city to city and give a temp boost to the city for x number of turns before it moved to a new city.

    Could we bring something like that back?
     
  7. Azurian

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    Arabian = Ramadan (a month of fasting) or Hajj (annual pilgrimage to Mecca)
    Byzantine = Nativity, The Theophany , Season of the Epiphanies
    Carthaginian = Cartagineses y Romanos Day
    Mayan = Itzamna Festival

    For Techs why dont we use the Culture Tech?

    for example Portuguese unlock Portuguese Culture with Heraldry. We can link Carnaval [Their Holiday] with Portuguese Culture that is unlocked by Heraldry.
     
  8. anunknownman

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    i think maybe the holidays should have special foods attached to them

    passover-matzah
    rosh hashana- apple in honey

    there might be more nut since im jewish i have no idea of christian holidays, sorry :(
     
  9. Hydromancerx

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    I have a special Halloween treat for you. Now that we have the ability aurobuild building, I can finally introduce Holidays! :goodjob:

    First is of course Holiday (Halloween)!

    I just put it on the SVN. So enjoy! :D

    I plan on adding more after the Freeze.
     
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  11. LumenAngel

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    If they are autobuild, maybe more difficule recquierment?
    And it's not all around the world, it's nearly only in christian anglo-saxon country like USA, Canada or England, so add english or american or canadian (or anstralian?) as requierment can be an idea. For example, in France, we only know Hallowen because of some american cartoon talking about it.

    I m dont think there already are this type of requierment, but I will NEVER let my children go outside with too many crime, so, add a maximum Crime can be a nice idea, and can be useful for more holydays idea
     
  12. Taxman66

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    Holidays are great! I for one can't wait until we see The Great Pumpkin building. ;)
     
  13. Hydromancerx

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    I thought about putting a Christianity requirement to it but it is also part Celtic folklore. See its part All Hallows (aka All Saints Day) which is why I made the Papacy requirement. And its also Samhain which is a Celtic harvest festival which is why I have Crop Rotation as the other tech requirement. However in more moderns times it has become much more commercialized like the other holidays and thus have little connection to their origins anymore.

    Also it only until WAY later that it came to North America and even then it was originally only spread by the Irish immigrants and not the Puritans. its only the 20th century that it has been accepted by everyone no matter their religion. This is why I did not add any religious requirements.

    As for around the world ...

    So I would say that Halloween could possibly be invented by any culture that had a harvest festival. If we are thinking about Alt-Timelines I don't see why a non Celtic or Cristian influence could have a holiday like this. However I could always make it require say Culture (European) if you feel its too Euro-centric.

    I can understand if we have say German culture for Octoberfest or Mexican culture for Day of the Dead. But I am not sure if we really need Celtic culture for Halloween do we?
     
  14. LumenAngel

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    The problem is not with one holiday, but when there will be 12 or 13 holidays. If you can have all too easily, it will be just free culture/happiness in all cities ! sugar (for candy) and pumpjins are not uncommon ressource, in Renaissance Era, I think at least one civ will have both. Later, with Great Farmer and some smart trade, any player can have both

    It's why I had in mind adding culture and/or religion, to limit this. You can have English/Irish culture for Haloween, you can have a Japanese culture for Golden Week, but having German for ocktoberfest and indian for Diwali too is hard...

    (and seriously, in most continental european country, Haloween is just an american holiday with some pumpkins and kids who go outside to have free candies in a mafia-like way)
     
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  16. Hydromancerx

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    I find that hilarious that you think of it as an "American" holiday only because it has been commercialized. I wonder what the Holiday would be like if there was no America. It would probably have turnips carving like the original Holiday had since pumpkins come from the Americas. And it would probably be limited to the UK.

    It would still have Trick or Treating and costumes but I do not know how commercialized it would get. It would definitely have a different feel than it is now.

    On a side note if you ever feel that there should not be the Americas just think there would be no Chocolate or Vanilla then. :p Both come from the Americas.
     
  17. Dancing Hoskuld

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    Halloween is just starting to impact over here, mostly due to American (US) cartoons. We used to have the English "Guy Fawkes Night" on the 5th November but that is in the fire season here so the fun bit of the "holiday". fireworks was moved to a cooler and wetter part of the year. Now they have stopped fireworks at home completely. Mayhap 'tis time for a new gunpowder plot:mischief:.
     
  18. LumenAngel

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    In France, some Corporations (I uses this word because he have a meaning in Civ ^^) try to install this Holidays in 2005-2006, but was a failure.

    And I just said i m disagree with the "all around the world" :p And with the fact it's too easy to have it.

    And seriously, modern Haloween is different from the celtic Holiday, just like Santa Claus and Xmas Tree are diffrrent from the birth of Jesus or rabbit giving chocolate are different from Jesus Resurrection (I dont even know the name of this one in English ^^').
     
  19. Kreatur

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    for german culture i would prefer carnival, because the octoberfest is mainly a big party in the city of munich but not a nation wide holiday. during the last few years many cities copy the octoberfest but all in all it isnt representative for the hole country. exept maybe the huge consumption of beer;) . in opposite carnival is more common. mainly in catholic regions because the catholic church take controll over the holliday several hundret years ago to prevent that this festival gets out of hand. today most germans dont care about the church anyway but the holliday still exists. carnival also known as fasenacht ore fasching (varied from town to town ) is very similair to holloween but it takes place at february and it is more colourfull and isnt so dark. people masquerade themselves as clowns ore witches ore cowboys (for example but i think you get it ) and then watching the big carnival parades where the parade members throw candys from there parade floats for the kids and distribute alcohol to teenagers ore adults (remember light alcohol like beer ore wine is allowed from the age of sixteen in germany. the capital cities of carnival are cologne, mayence, wiesbaden, koblenz ore treves, for example.
     
  20. Flinx

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    Agreed on what Kreatur said.
    But the names of the cities are Köln, Mainz, Wiesbaden, Koblenz and Trier.
    No matter what they are called in other Countries. ;)
     

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