How Are Christians Discriminated Against?

[kramerfan86]

Religion shoving its nose into politics and therefore people's lives is the main driving force for any negative vibes it feels. Worry about your own lives and leave others alone.

 

[JollyRoger]

The Tea Partiers of today are pretty funny in their worship of the Constitution, not realizing that the Constitutional Convention was in large part motivated by getting one over on the the tax-enough already crowd of the day and their Whiskey Rebellions.

 

[classical_hero]

Religion shoving its nose into politics and therefore people's lives is the main driving force for any negative vibes it feels. Worry about your own lives and leave others alone.

Those who say that are basically saying that your opinion does not count, since it is different than mine. Everyone's values will affect another person, that is a fact of life.

 

[kramerfan86]

Those who say that are basically saying that your opinion does not count, since it is different than mine. Everyone's values will affect another person, that is a fact of life.

No, religious people attempting to legislate morality for others or insert their religion into laws as opposed to simply following it for themselves are saying other people's religious and moral beliefs dont matter, are inferior, and need to be corrected. Christians (and other religions where they have a majority) do this then wonder why there is some sort of backlash against them.

 

[robo-snickers]

to be honest,

christians are like americans, they think the s*** dont stink, and everyone should bow down to them.

and mods, this is not a troll, i am an american, and my family are full of hopeless christians. Im just stating a fact.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

to be honest,

christians are like americans, they think the s*** dont stink, and everyone should bow down to them.

and mods, this is not a troll, i am an american, and my family are full of hopeless christians. Im just stating a fact.

To be even more honest, most people are like most people. They feel like they perspective is grey, and the rest of the world sees things in black and white.

And I'm not trolling either, I'm an atheist and many of my friends and family are all across the spectrum; on both the religious and douche spectrum.

 

[Arakhor]

christians are like americans, they think the s*** dont stink, and everyone should bow down to them.

and mods, this is not a troll, i am an american, and my family are full of hopeless christians. Im just stating a fact.

You'd get on better by not generalising across all 300 million Americans and several billion Christians.

 

[robo-snickers]

You'd get on better by not generalising across all 300 million Americans and several billion Christians.

comparing 300 mil americans to billion+ christians is perfectly exceptable. its not the numbers that matter but the actions and believes that do.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

comparing 300 mil americans to billion+ christians is perfectly exceptable. its not the numbers that matter but the actions and believes that do.

But what you said isn't exclusive to either group, and could extend to just about any group of people.

 

[Flying Pig]

In general (see what I'm doing here?) any sentance beginning with 'all of this group think that' is asking for trouble.

 

[peter grimes]

Here is the deal on exemption. As long as the church is exempt, they cannot do anything political. Why is that? It would seem to me a compromise on the part of the church to keep the state from taxing them, they have giving up their ability to speak out against anything that their conscious tells them. Now if they have to pay taxes, they could once again freely speak. Now we have a problem, there are others who do not like this freedom of speech. Now does the government get to stay out of it? Are you saying that the church would be free of being sued? What happened to the boundaries? I am not afraid of this happening, I am just pointing out the likelihood of it happening. Why would an entity who was being held back to speak freely keep doing so, now that they can speak freely since they have to pay taxes any way. Are you saying that now this tax paying entity is still free from being sued? What does a church have left to bargain with agaisnt the state allowing another entity to sue them?

Now the freedom to speak one's conscious and how people view God can be adressed at the same time.

This issue has nothing to do with the state and church, it has to do with humans and God. I only brought up God, because He does not raise taxes to help the poor. In fact like you pointed out he does not even help the poor. That is your consious and the ability to observe your surroundings that has led you to that conclusion. I cannot even fault you for your mind thinking those thoughts. I would be out of line attempting to sue you for such thoughts, even if I think you are wrong in your thinking. I cannot even defend myself and my thoughts against you, because the facts are on your side. The poor are still poor and it seems that christians want to keep the government from even helping them.

This is interesting and makes some sense.

At least, the first sentence.

I really have no idea what you're on about with the suing stuff - that's not how the 1st amendment works. That's about preventing the government from restricting political speech. Non-political speech (say, commercial speech, or private communication) is able to be restricted by the government.

As things stand, private entities are free to restrict speech all they want: just look at the examples I linked to earlier where advertising companies refused to accept as clients atheist groups who wanted to rent space for their message. There's no 1st amendment issue there.

And I'm really baffled why you even bring suing over thoughtcrimes into the discussion...

 

[timtofly]

This is interesting and makes some sense.

At least, the first sentence.

I really have no idea what you're on about with the suing stuff - that's not how the 1st amendment works. That's about preventing the government from restricting political speech. Non-political speech (say, commercial speech, or private communication) is able to be restricted by the government.

As things stand, private entities are free to restrict speech all they want: just look at the examples I linked to earlier where advertising companies refused to accept as clients atheist groups who wanted to rent space for their message. There's no 1st amendment issue there.

And I'm really baffled why you even bring suing over thoughtcrimes into the discussion...

This thread is somewhat about discrimination and the ability to force one's opinions on another to bring about equality, but I admit that is a tad orwellian. I am just basing it on the historicity of a government that has no separation of church and state. The state no longer needs to respect the rights of the church and the church usually no longer respects the right of secular ideals if they take control of the government. Not to mention the "outrage" now that some have over the thought of the US being turned into a theocracy. Also, the state is the abitrator in all law matters.