How can we destroy climate change sceptics?

Land Area on the Planet (148,647,000 sq km)
Ocean Area (335,258,000 sq km)

In other words, to lower the oceans by a foot you'd have to cover every square inch of land by over 2 feet of seawater. That's quite a bit of pumping.

Lower the oceans? Hell, I thought the problem was global warming & them raising via the melting of the ice caps?!?

It had better be cooling cause we just had the HOTTEST summer on record.

There is no way the big fireball @ the center of our solar system had anything to do with that. :lol:

No, no, he makes sense. He is advocating pumping huge amounts of water very large distances at massive expense of money and energy.

Opposed to huge amounts & massive expense of money spent to conform to your silly beliefs. If we're going down this road then spend the money to re-ice the poles opposed to crippling industry.

They're going to be investigated. I predict that most of the emails will be just poor phrasing, not controversy. Maybe some of their published data will have to be reviewed. And their behaviour regarding 'hiding data' will be scolded.

I predict that no matter the poor phrasing or controversy that I will receive an infraction for disagreeing with you (probably double because this is not a PM) & there will be no investigation of the browshirting........... and if there were one, it would be squashed. But hey, much like how the "skeptics" will be silenced & ridiculed, it will happen here.

Red card please. Thanks Cartman, I still don't respect your authority.

Climate guys, You are the true opponents of revolutionary means of capitalism

Yes, they are.
 
Opposed to huge amounts & massive expense of money spent to conform to your silly beliefs. If we're going down this road then spend the money to re-ice the poles opposed to crippling industry.

Hey, thats my silly belief
 
Right, but it's not like the perigee and apogee of earth's orbit are getting closer and farther respectively, which is the only logical conclusion if you assume that his hotter summer and my cooler summer are the result of the earth's orbit's eccentricity. I agree that it makes a difference, however slight, but do you see what I mean?

We've been cruising the same orbit for a few billion years (or at least many million if you assume that the orbit changed after the impact that created the moon), so that the southern hemisphere reports an unusually hot summer can't be the result of a "closer part of the orbit" -- unless I am misunderstanding what you are trying to point out.

Sorry, thread slipped my mind :( I'm sure we do vary in distance but not much year to year. There are so many cycles and cycles within cycles I wouldn't be surprised if our orbit dips in and out a bit every XXXXXX years in addition to any eccentricities in our orbit. There's even a theory ice ages are currently (last million years) induced by an orbit that more or less aligns with the invariable plane of the solar system, ie roughly the plane of Jupiter's orbit where more dust and debris resides. Sure, if the S hemisphere is having summers closer to the sun they will be warmer than the N hemisphere's summer - but thats just one factor.

Eccentricity can vary much more, but astronomers are predicting a low value for the next 100 ky :) which bodes well for a continued interglacial into the distant future. But the value can ~quadruple so that %7 can reach more than a 1/4th difference in insolation. Now thats some extreme seasonal weather ;)

Oh yeah, yer comment about an impact raises many very interesting questions beyond my ability to answer (or prove), like

If the Earth was impacted by an object the size of Mars where did this collision occur? In this orbit? Where's all the debris? I cant imagine such an impact having no effect on the Earth's orbit, and I have to believe there is a trail of debris leading back to the collision if we look. I'd put money on the asteroid belt, the distance at which water vapor freezes and comets show their tails - Heaven, the Firmament, rakia the hammered bracelet dividing the waters above from the waters below.
 
Oh yeah, yer comment about an impact raises many very interesting questions beyond my ability to answer (or prove)...

I found this web page very helpful. It's from the Navy, and I don't read anything that's very questionable or biased. It's not about the moon and impacts and stuff, but it's about orbital variations affecting Earth's climate; I just used your quote because it was a short line :)
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.php
 
How can we destroy climate change sceptics?

Fire usually works. You can also drop things on them. I would suggest that shooting them might work, but I know that some of you aren't allowed to possess firearms.
 
Citation required.

He's referring to either Sydney's or Australia's summer from December 08 to February 09. This was Australia's hottest summer on record by a significant margin. Worldwide it was merely top ten, and I'm fairly sure top five.

We also had the hottest November ever this year by a record breaking margin. The average maximum temperature was almost three degrees Celsius greater than the previous ever average maximum temperature. The average maximum record has never before been exceeded by such a large margin, for any month.
 
Aren't we currently doing that. Have more countries ratify this famed Kyoto Protocol I've been hearing about. Of course that means taking measure that won't happen right away.

Getting everyone to be honest, happy, and not in denial about their actions hurting people, ect.,.
 
Destruction is on the way:

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Is that the ice berg heading toward Australia I heard about or it this something else? It looks like someone could have carved that thing imo. Trust me, I don't go ice berg watching as much as you guys.
 
Rising oceans, desertification, less predictable rain and snow patterns, changing disease patterns. All that means is that an estimate of up to 3 billion will be forced to relocate or be in various states of distress. Up to and including death.

http://www.worldwildlife.org/climate/Publications/WWFBinaryitem7657.pdf

http://www.medindia.net/news/35-Bil...-Warns-UN-Panel-on-Climate-Change-30586-1.htm

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...ger-threat-than-financial-crisis-1645358.html

http://abcnews.go.com/International/copenhagen-climate-change-fuel-armed-conflict/story?id=9277441

http://www.cws.org.nz/take-action/climate-change/the-facts

http://www.lloyds.com/NR/rdonlyres/...30947B6/0/Climatechangeandsecurity_200904.pdf

That Lloyds article looks particularly interesting. Coming as it does from an insurance company, rather than an advocacy group or even a news organization.

The earth’s climate has always been subject to fluctuations due to a range of naturally occurring factors. But it has become increasingly evident that mankind’s activities also contribute to climatic fluctuations. This dates back to the time when organised agriculture first began but has been greatly intensified over the past two centuries as industrialisation has led to significantly increased levels of carbon emissions.
The scientific evidence on climate change and mankind’s role in contributing to it is overwhelming and impossible to ignore. But predicting how climate change will evolve and what consequences it will have remains extremely difficult. At a global level the picture is relatively clear but there is still insufficient understanding of how exactly climate change will affect specific regions and countries. Climate change cannot be understood properly if considered in isolation. Other important factors must be taken into account – in particular, population growth. Climate change that may be manageable in a world with six billion people may not be controllable when the global population reaches nine billion – as the United Nations estimates may be the case by 2051.
There are two main sources of uncertainty when it comes to predicting the speed and scale of climate change. The first is the future rate of man-made greenhouse gas emissions; will international efforts to mitigate emissions be effective, or will emerging economies go on growing well above historical rates and continue to generate most of their energy by burning dirty coal? The second is scientific uncertainty about the “sensitivity” of the climate system to additional man-made carbon dioxide emissions produced by the burning of fossil fuels; does doubling the amount in the atmosphere raise the average global temperature by two, three or four °C?
These uncertainties explain why the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in its latest report in 2007, predicted that the temperature rise by the year 2100 would range from 1.8°C to 6.4°C. The lower number would mean a slow and surprise-free rise in temperature that would cause only moderate disruption in human societies – though even this scenario would involve more frequent extreme weather events and the possible submergence of low-lying island states; the higher number would result in most of the existing farmland on the planet turning into burning desert.
However, recent findings, notably the drastic shrinkage since 2005 of the summer sea ice in the Arctic, have led some scientists to conclude that the IPCC predictions may in fact be on the low side. Indeed, in February 2009, Professor Chris Field, one of the authors of the IPCC report, warned that temperatures are likely to rise beyond the levels predicted and that “the future climate is beyond anything that we have considered seriously in climate policy”. These comments were based on the emergence of new data about emissions from the industrialising world which had not been available when earlier IPCC assessments had been reached. This more pessimistic view was reinforced at the International Scientific Conference on Climate Change, which took place in Copenhagen in March 2009.
Moreover, while the IPCC’s report acknowledges the potential importance of large “positive feedbacks”, which would greatly speed up the warming process, it does not include them in its predictions because their complexity makes it impossible to incorporate them in climate models.
 
Cutlass said:
Rising oceans, desertification, less predictable rain and snow patterns, changing disease patterns. All that means is that an estimate of up to 3 billion will be forced to relocate or be in various states of distress. Up to and including death.
Climate change leads to climate wars.
 
The scientific evidence on climate change and mankind’s role in contributing to it is overwhelming and impossible to ignore.

The exact opposite is true. Mankind's influence on climate change is miniscule.
 
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