How do you end 'cancel culture'?

[Patine]

You are still thinking of things in absolute terms, rather than relative. You are claiming since dehumanization is something that happened to other people’s in history in these very specific happenstances, what is happening to the African American people are not dehumanization.

In other words, the only reason why you insist upon cloud strife being an absolutist thinker is because you have defined, very absolutely, what dehumanization means, despite the fact that cloud strife may have a different and more relative criteria of dehumanization. And then going nuclear with hyperbolic accusations against anyone who raises an eyebrow.

Which is what you accuse other people of doing, funnily enough.

I admit, there is injustice, mistreatment, malappropriation of wealth, prejudice in many others (especially in law-enforcement, judiciary, and corrections), and many other areas, BUT you are excoriating me for disagreeing with the specific WORD Cloud_Strife, and calling it out as hyperbolic exaggerated (but not unfounded in principle), and saying such overdone terms are more harmful than helpful to such messages. The sanctity and infallibility of Cloud_Strife's choice of terminology, and my criticism based only on sense of proportion is the root of this whole issue. Can't you see this?

 

[cardgame]

I dunno Patine, those radical reformist ideas of yours sound pretty extreme, they might even end up destroying your own civilization for no appreciable gain.

to cut the snark, though, you can make the point that people are being hyperbolic or otherwise too extreme without condemning them wholesale.

Like, jeez, man, even a 'you're right, but...' in front of your posts would cut down on at least half the pushback you get. The pushback you get, from my perspective, seems to be about your own attitude and a lack of your own push to begin with. All you do is cut others down, and you never seem to make much an argument for policies yourself. You might have a good argument but we don't hear or see it. We hear and see you condemning everybody for being passionate about injustices.

To prove this point we've done at least a full page talking about other posters as much if not more than any actual topics.

 

[Patine]

I dunno Patine, those radical reformist ideas of yours sound pretty extreme, they might even end up destroying your own civilization for no appreciable gain.

Boo! Get the stage! You have no future as a comedian! The improv is heartless!

 

[cardgame]

Boo! Get the stage! You have no future as a comedian! The improv is heartless!

Speaking of comedy, I can't tell if this post is intended to be serious or funny. This goes hand in hand with other problems I outlined above, I think.

 

[Seon]

I admit, there is injustice, mistreatment, malappropriation of wealth, prejudice in many others (especially in law-enforcement, judiciary, and corrections), and many other areas, BUT you are excoriating me for disagreeing with the specific WORD Cloud_Strife, and calling it out as hyperbolic exaggerated (but not unfounded in principle), and saying such overdone terms are more harmful than helpful to such messages. The sanctity and infallibility of Cloud_Strife's choice of terminology, and my criticism based only on sense of proportion is the root of this whole issue. Can't you see this?

I’m certainly not the guy accusing a korean who got brought up Catholic as being WASPish. You are the one accusing other people of being some Maoist thug or Divisive Radicals for their words and pushing them away.

I am telling you to have some introspection.

 

[Patine]

I’m certainly not the guy accusing a korean who got brought up Catholic as being WASPish. You are the one accusing other people of being some Maoist thug or Divisive Radicals for their words and pushing them away.

I am telling you to have some introspection.

Waspish (not as an acronym) is a behaviour style - persistent, antagonist, aggressively inquisitive, and not easy deterred - a quintessential personality archetype of the stereotyped investigative reporter of fiction, but not unique to them. I think it's a term that has fallen by the wayside along with "gnarly," "bodacious," or "bogus," however. Also, as for calling Lexicus a Maoist, I wasn't quite certain HOW serious he was in that post (it was obviously partially a joke, but he's quoted some modern Americans in an admiring way who themselves have shown admiration for Mao, so it seemed "plausible," he could be an American Neo-Maoist).

 

[Seon]

And just accusing people all over of being neo-Maoists or being confrontational doesn’t strike you as being divisive?

I am legitimately curious, because if I am analyzing your words correctly, your chief problem with cloud and lexicus et al appear to be their presentation and word choices, not the actual content of their speech. If this is the case, why do you find it necessary to go on and on about how they are being absolutists who are net negative to society? How do you justify constantly throwing out accusations against other people?

Furthermore, I note that you were the one excoriating cloud strife for a specific word. I am merely questioning your logic and stance here. If you believe that using proper words and terminology is important, than surely you must now be compelled to apologize and retract your accusation against Lexicus for calling him a Neo Maoist as a knee jerk reaction.

 

[GenMarshall]

The Alt-Right is a pitiful, whining, self-serving, self-righteous, delusional, warped, and distorted band of nihilists whose ideals and policies would destroy their own civilization for no appreciable gain.

It's ok, just call em fascists or Nazis.

(pet your parochial American mind didn't guess that other nations' political schemes aren't just clones of the American one - joke's on you and your crappy American educational and media systems).

"I'm Canadian and therefore my poop don't stink!". Spare me your holier than thou mindset that your country is better and mine's.

But, since doubling down on the most loathsome tactic the post after I had just brought it up, is obviously your shameless modus operandi, than everything you post will have to be at a DEFAULT of lies, slander, slagging, and such, and have to be proven otherwise.

Full stop here, you don't know anything John Snow. My posts aren't lies, slander, slagging, nor anything that you pull out of your dictionary. I'm not the one that's doubling down on anything, quit projecting. Calling out your BS is not slander, get over yourself.

 

[Patine]

It's ok, just call em fascists or Nazis.


"I'm Canadian and therefore my poop don't stink!". Spare me your holier than thou mindset that your country is better and mine's.


Full stop here, you don't know anything John Snow. My posts aren't lies, slander, slagging, nor anything that you pull out of your dictionary. I'm not the one that's doubling down on anything, quit projecting. Calling out your BS is not slander, get over yourself.

If I take out of the conversation, I think I can actually stay calm and be reasonable, because it's obvious who is the one that is just goading and jeering with self-righteous and delusional crap. You are the weakest link! Good-bye!

 

[amadeus]

It's ok, just call em fascists or Nazis.

I was called a neo-McCarthyist imperialist pig, which is not an altogether inaccurate summation minus the pig part.

I was trying to think of a nickname for myself based on that but “Tailgunner Cecil,” while encapsulating the spirit, doesn’t have a good ring to it.

 

[Patine]

And just accusing people all over of being neo-Maoists or being confrontational doesn’t strike you as being divisive?

I am legitimately curious, because if I am analyzing your words correctly, your chief problem with cloud and lexicus et al appear to be their presentation and word choices, not the actual content of their speech. If this is the case, why do you find it necessary to go on and on about how they are being absolutists who are net negative to society? How do you justify constantly throwing out accusations against other people?

Furthermore, I note that you were the one excoriating cloud strife for a specific word. I am merely questioning your logic and stance here. If you believe that using proper words and terminology is important, than surely you must now be compelled to apologize and retract your accusation against Lexicus for calling him a Neo Maoist as a knee jerk reaction.

Ultimately, I think realistically, any apologies due are either not coming or will be insincere ( @Cloud_Strife still owes me one for calling me a "Fascist Enabler," and "Fascist Sympathizer," from three years ago, for instance). I think, instead, an agreement to just drop the issue, calm down, reset, move on, and hope something is learned from some of the more erudite posts made here is the most realistic resolution.

 

[GenMarshall]

If I take out of the conversation, I think I can actually stay calm and be reasonable, because it's obvious who is the one that is just goading and jeering with self-righteous and delusional crap.

And once again, Patine fails to heed Sone's wisdom and continues on the attack. Of course, one again, look at the mirror because it is you Patine, yes you, Patine are the one that's goading and jeering with self-righteous crap. I find it offensive that you claim to that I have delusional ideas, deeply offensive. You don't know anything John Patine, I've deradcialized myself from the anti-SJW community and the Alt-Right and left them wholesale, they are the ones that goads and jeers with self-righteous crap and delusional crap. To come up and say that I'm delusional, is a whole new low for you Patine. You Claim that you hate being steryotyped and and being slandered, and here you are, making slanderous comments without even listening to what myself and others are trying to tell you. You Claim that that I'm making self-righteous and delusional crap when you yourself have been doing the same exact thing to people like Cloud, people like myself, and people like Lexicus and others. I'm not the one here that's accusing people of being Maoist thugs or Divisive Radicals. Take a good hard look in the mirror, take a real good hard look. As Cardgame stated in a previous post, "all you do is cut others down".

I dispute your ability to "stay calm and rational" when you yourself have demonstrated a conniption fit when I stated "Please demonstrate from other sources that aren't related to the fallout of the Russian Revolution and the Chinese Cultural Revolution" in regards to historcial revisionism and added my reasoning for that is "because I see too much of it being used by the right and the-alt right" because they used it so much that it's become a dead horse. When push came to shove, you refused to offer sources because you believed I called you alt-right (Hense why I claimed victory on that debate because you refused to give your sources of events other than the fallout of the Russian Revolution and the Chinese Cultural Revolution).

You are the weakest link! Good-bye!

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: There is, or was, a topic here and it wasn't each other. Kindly get back to topic, please. And if the topic is burned out and no one wants to discuss it anymore, then tell me and I will close this thread.

 

[Moriarte]

Justice of the angry mob (aka cancel culture) is very appealing, especially to those who lack, for one reason or another, a full life or elements of it. Large cross section of people unsatisfied with themselves, looking for the platform to vent their frustrations. Here, in this thread, which, by design, questions validity of the approach we have people practicing cancel culture to shut down the opposition. The likes are thrown as sharp as knives, intellectual capacities are questioned. If there was an option - executions, deportations & incarcerations would follow, there’s just no doubt, judging from the tone of the accusations. I find this banter rather amusing (thanks, all) and reminded of the words of Albert Einstein, when the nazis tried to cancel him with “100 authors against Einstein”. He said “to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 authors, just one fact”.

So yeah, complete misdirection and waste of energy.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Justice of the angry mob (aka cancel culture) is very appealing, especially to those who lack, for one reason or another, a full life or elements of it. Large cross section of people unsatisfied with themselves, looking for the platform to vent their frustrations. Here, in this thread, which, by design, questions validity of the approach we have people practicing cancel culture to shut down the opposition. The likes are thrown as sharp as knives, intellectual capacities are questioned. If there was an option - executions, deportations & incarcerations would follow, there’s just no doubt, judging from the tone of the accusations. I find this banter rather amusing (thanks, all) and reminded of the words of Albert Einstein, when the nazis tried to cancel him with “100 authors against Einstein”. He said “to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 authors, just one fact”.

So yeah, complete misdirection and waste of energy.

im sure you can quote some examples then

 

[Patine]

im sure you can quote some examples then

That wouldn't be difficult at all.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That wouldn't be difficult at all.

You may proceed.

 

[Patine]

You may proceed.

The fact that you're skeptical such examples exist is quantity show an out-of-touch attitude and a lack of education of socio-political and cultural history, it should be noted. But your whole worldview tends to be very one-sided - and along the 2010's artificially forced binary American extremist political divide.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The fact that you're skeptical such examples exist is quantity show an out-of-touch attitude and a lack of education of socio-political and cultural history, it should be noted. But your whole worldview tends to be very one-sided - and along the 2010's artificially forced binary American extremist political divide.

You may quote examples now.

 

[GenMarshall]

The fact that you're skeptical such examples exist is quantity show an out-of-touch attitude and a lack of education of socio-political and cultural history, it should be noted. But your whole worldview tends to be very one-sided - and along the 2010's artificially forced binary American extremist political divide.

You know, instead of attacking other posters. Maybe you should give examples . Since I’m gonna take it as that you don’t have any examples to give.