How do you end 'cancel culture'?

[amadeus]

I don't have to read Mein Kampf or the protocols of the elders of zion to know they're both racist bunk and I do indeed judge those that would suggest I read them in Ernest

I never recommended either book to you.

I'm tooting my own horn here, but I can take information from one context and apply it to another. I don't need to read Mein Kampf to get the gist of what's in it, because I heard of that World War II thing somewhere else and I think the dude that started it also had some hand in writing the book.

But Charles Murray, as far as I know, has not started any world wars. Mind you, starting world wars is not the only criteria on which I choose to read or not read a book. I wouldn't need to read something by David Duke and he has to the best of my knowledge started a total of zero wars, including but not exclusively limited to, world wars.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Charles Murray might not have started a war, but he's contributed to the suffering of black people globally by proposing ideas and theories that racists have latched onto to justify treating black people like they're sub-human, so he's a piece of **** and anyone who is happy enough to tolerate him within their organization gets a wide berth from me, hence my hostility to @Modder_Mode's quoted article.

 

[amadeus]

I will concede to you the point that Murray has done an absolutely terrible job at controlling the thoughts of other people.

 

[Senethro]

Haha I'm not saying this and I'm not saying that and hold no opinion but have you read this book about race and intelligence???

 

[Gori the Grey]

And next would be "Are you a trained sociologist who can yourself counter the arguments in his book?"
And if so, next would be: "Oh, so you're a professional rival looking to advance your own theories."

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I will concede to you the point that Murray has done an absolutely terrible job at controlling the thoughts of other people.

Because as we both know, someone's thoughts or beliefs about a group NEVER affects how they treat them

Haha I'm not saying this and I'm not saying that and hold no opinion but have you read this book about race and intelligence???

Libertarians and racists are kissing cousins, just ask Ron Paul.

 

[amadeus]

Haha I'm not saying this and I'm not saying that and hold no opinion but have you read this book about race and intelligence???

But for the most part, it isn’t. And they don’t draw the conclusion that it is 100% genetic.

Whether their methodology was flawed, or their statistics wrong, is entirely up for debate. But we’re writing him off as basically a well-polished Himmler.

Can I do that to other books or writers?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

But for the most part, it isn’t. And they don’t draw the conclusion that it is 100% genetic.

Whether their methodology was flawed, or their statistics wrong, is entirely up for debate. But we’re writing him off as basically a well-polished Himmler.

Can I do that to other books or writers?

Do you believe there is any validity to the belief that black people are genetically prediposed to being less intelligent than whites and if not then why are you running defense for a known-racist apologist and enabler

 

[amadeus]

Do you believe there is any validity to the belief that black people are genetically prediposed to being less intelligent than whites and if not then why are you running defense for a known-racist apologist and enabler

I would say given the little I know of the existing body of research, I wouldn’t reject it outright although I would question its significance.

But that also gets into what and how we are measuring things; it’s uncontroversial to say that black people tend to be taller than white people because height is very easily and unambiguously measured.

Do you believe there is any validity to a belief that men are, more than women, genetically predisposed to criminal behavior? If you were to ask me this question, I’d give you the same answer as above but substitute some of the nouns.

For the latter part of the question, I don’t have much riding on it and I don’t think there is any subject that can’t be explored academically in an open society.

 

[Patine]

You post Literal apologetics for institutional racism and you wonder why people react so badly to you

WTH is the "race industry"?

And why the disparity between crack and powdered cocaine sentencing, of which black people tend to use the former and whites the latter? What other explanation is there beyond institutional racism rearing it's ugly head again?

They're the same f***ing drug!

If people want to react badly to me then that is their choice.

Read the full article.

Even that populist supposedy right wing tabloid: the UK Daily Mail,
that is no fan of soft sentencing, thinks there is a problem



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...onvicted-attempting-steal-hedge-clippers.html

What does your ten year old commentary article from an investors publication suggest as a solution to the problem?

The "War on Drugs," like the "War on Terror," was a failure, a loss, and a mass crime by the national government (of various nations) of which the trials for high criminal actions and betrayals by those in government, law-enforcement, and military are still pending - but still just as deserved. Many of suffered and died unforgivably, and due process thrown out the window, and the real criminals sit comfortably in cushy jobs or retirement congratulating themselves for their treasonous and overreaching offences. It makes my blood boil.

I don't have to read Mein Kampf or the protocols of the elders of zion to know they're both racist bunk and I do indeed judge those that would suggest I read them in Ernest

Unless of course you are suggesting there's any validity or grounding to the idea that black people are inherently and genetically less intelligent than whites

I don't have to fully read, "the Fragility of Whites," "the White Devil," some of Marvin Garvey's more vociferous works, or Nation of Islam's ridiculous tracts of "Yaqub," to know that they're disgustingly racist, too. Regardless of what certain posters have said about me by putting words in my mouth I have never said, I do NOT support racism and am not a racist. I just often seem to butt heads with certain people, somehow, by pointing out that racism is not as simple or universally consistent a phenomenon as many seem to think, and my believe that the solutions for have to stem from more wholistic and broadly approached social reforms, and aren't going to be magical or instant things done "just like that."

 

[Gori the Grey]

I do support racism

proofread more carefully

 

[Angst]

wat wait

are we discussing the f*ing Bell Curve now?

 

[Patine]

proofread more carefully

Typo. Thank-you. Fixed. And only because I just woke up - not some Freudian Slip!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I would say given the little I know of the existing body of research, I wouldn’t reject it outright although I would question its significance.

But that also gets into what and how we are measuring things; it’s uncontroversial to say that black people tend to be taller than white people because height is very easily and unambiguously measured.

Do you believe there is any validity to a belief that men are, more than women, genetically predisposed to criminal behavior? If you were to ask me this question, I’d give you the same answer as above but substitute some of the nouns.

For the latter part of the question, I don’t have much riding on it and I don’t think there is any subject that can’t be explored academically in an open society.

So you think the topic of scientific racism is worth giving weight to?

 

[Berzerker]

Libertarians and racists are kissing cousins, just ask Ron Paul.

You're voting for a man who repeatedly heaped praise on Robert Byrd and I'm sure Obama had kind words for him too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

They're mostly Democrats

 

[Crezth]

I would say given the little I know of the existing body of research, I wouldn’t reject it outright although I would question its significance.

But that also gets into what and how we are measuring things; it’s uncontroversial to say that black people tend to be taller than white people because height is very easily and unambiguously measured.

Do you believe there is any validity to a belief that men are, more than women, genetically predisposed to criminal behavior? If you were to ask me this question, I’d give you the same answer as above but substitute some of the nouns.

For the latter part of the question, I don’t have much riding on it and I don’t think there is any subject that can’t be explored academically in an open society.

Blacks are taller than whites, so maybe men are more violent than women, and what does that maybe say about what might be true of intelligence, and other weaselly half-claim dogwhistles in this libertarian coffee table book you are going to love to own.

 

[Patine]

You're voting for a man who repeatedly heaped praise on Robert Byrd and I'm sure Obama had kind words for him too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_members_in_United_States_politics

They're mostly Democrats

One of the biggest problems with American politics is you always end up having to vote for liars, monsters, criminals, traitors, and politicians who don't give a damn about the common people and instead tow party lines and take bribes from big corporations and moneyed special interest groups rather than caring about their constituents or the over-the-top promises they made to get into office, or you make a vote for a non-Duopoly candidate that is guaranteed to be a "throwaway protest vote," in the rigged, fixed, cheated electoral system. Biden doesn't personally give a damn about @Cloud_Strife and numerous others struggling and suffering like her - and will certainly fail and disappoint such people - as surely as Trump didn't give a damn about the unemployed blue collar workers in the Rust Belt that were the REAL tipping point of his victory, and he failed and disappointed them, too.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Blacks are taller than whites, so maybe men are more violent than women, and what does that maybe say about what might be true of intelligence, and other weaselly half-claim dogwhistles in this libertarian coffee table book you are going to love to own.

careful now, amadeus might get his calipers out and measure your skull, deeming you low iq

 

[Patine]

Blacks are taller than whites.

The Twa and Khoisians would beg to differ, but their diminutive stature and isolated areas of habitation meant that they were not targeted in the Slave Trade, and thus their DNA is only found in First World countries from 1st to 3rd Generations directly from Africa, and thus are much rarer to see in First World Nations.

 

[Patine]

The Twa and Khoisians would beg to differ, but their diminutive stature and isolated areas of habitation meant that they were not targeted in the Slave Trade, and thus their DNA is only found in First World countries from 1st to 3rd Generations directly from Africa, and thus are much rarer to see in First World Nations.

Also, @Crezth, West Africans and most Ethiopians are no taller on average than Whites. The notably taller on average is from Bantus and Somalis, and some ethnicities living along the Southern Nile region.