How do you end 'cancel culture'?

[Estebonrober]

Doubt. Most of you cant even figure out which bathroom you need to be in.

lol its like you take every "culture war" clickbait you can find and just believe it without question.

 

[BCheek]

lol such clowning!

References
1 For example, in 2011, 81% of all cases were suspended by the commissions: European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2013) ‘National report 2012: Portugal’, p. 102.
2 Domosławski, A. (2011) ‘Drug Policy in Portugal: The Benefits of Decriminalizing Drug Use’, Open Society Foundations Global Drug Policy Program, p. 30.
3 Stevens, A. (2012) ‘Portuguese drug policy shows that decriminalisation can work, but only alongside improvements in health and social policies’, LSE European Politics and Policy Blog, 10/12/12.
4 Rosmarin, A. and Eastwood, N. (2013) ‘A Quiet Revolution: Drug Decriminalisation Policies in Practice Across the Globe’, Release.
5 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2011a) ‘Drug policy profiles — Portugal’, p. 20.
6 Balsa, C., Vital, C. and Urbano, C. (2013) ‘III Inquérito nacional ao consumo de substâncias psicoativas na população portuguesa 2012: Relatório Preliminar’, CESNOVA – Centro de Estudos de Sociologia da Universidade Nova de Lisboa, p. 59.
7 Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2012) ‘A resounding success or a disastrous failure: Re-examining the interpretation of evidence on the Portuguese decriminalisation of illicit drugs’, Drug and Alcohol Review, vol. 31, pp. 101-113.
8 Balsa, C., et al. (2013) op. cit., p. 52.
9 Concurrent trends in neighbouring countries are discussed in Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2010) ‘What can we learn from the Portuguese decriminalization of illicit drugs?’, British Journal of Criminology, vol. 50, pp. 999-1022.
10 United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (2010) ‘Methodology—World drug report 2010’, p. 12.
11 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2010) ‘2010 Annual report on the state of the drugs problem in Europe’, p. 10.
12 See references 7 and 8.
13 Balsa, C., et al. (2013) op. cit., p. 52.
14 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2013) op. cit., pp. 65-67.
15 Three data sets used:
ECATD data taken from Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2009) ‘Relatório Anual 2008 – A Situação do País em Matéria de Drogas e Toxicodependências’, p. 21 and Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2013) ‘Relatório Anual 2012 – A Situação do País em Matéria de Drogas e Toxicodependências’, p. 32.
ESPAD data taken from Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2007) ‘Relatório Anual 2006 – A Situação do País em Matéria de Drogas e Toxicodependências’, p. 14 and Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2013) op. cit., p. 31.
INME data taken from Feijão, F. (2011) ‘Inquérito Nacional em Meio Escolar, 2011 – Secundário. Consumo de drogas e outras substâncias psicoactivas: Uma abordagemintegrada. Síntese de resultados’, SICAD, p. 3 and Feijão, F. (2011) ‘Inquérito Nacional em Meio Escolar, 2011 – 3.º Ciclo. Consumo de drogas e outrassubstâncias psicoactivas: Uma abordagemintegrada. Síntese de resultados’, SICAD, p. 3.
16 Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2013) op. cit., p. 21.
17 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2011b) ‘Looking for a relationship between penalties and cannabis use’.
18 Reuter, P. and Stevens, A. (2007) ‘An Analysis of UK Drug Policy’, UK Drug Policy Commission.
19 Degenhardt, L. et al. (2008) ‘Toward a Global View of Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, and Cocaine Use: Findings from the WHO World Mental Health Surveys’, PLoS Medicine, vol. 5, no. 7, pp. 1053-1067.
20 See, for example, Melanie Phillips’ claim at: Full Fact (2012) ‘What effect has decriminalising drugs had in Portugal?’, 31/01/12.
21 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2011a) op. cit., p. 20.
22 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2014) ‘Data and statistics’.
23 Ibid.
24 European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2012) ‘Country overview: Portugal’.
25 Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2010) op. cit., p. 1015.
26 Pinto Coelho, M. (2010) ‘Decriminalization of drugs in Portugal – The real facts!’, World Federation Against Drugs, 02/02/10.
27 Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2012) op. cit., pp. 106-108.
28 Data for year 2001 taken from Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2012) op. cit., p. 107; data for year 2012 taken from Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2013), op. cit., p. 64.
29 Pinto Coelho, M. (2010) op. cit.
30 Phillips, M. (2011) ‘Drug legalisation? We need it like a hole in the head’, MailOnline, 17/11/11.
31 Tavares, C. and Thomas, G. (2008) ‘Statistics in focus: Crime and criminal justice’, Eurostat, p. 3.
32 United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (2009) ‘World Drug Report 2009’, p. 168.
33 Clarke, S. (2013) ‘Trends in crime and criminal justice, 2010’, Eurostat, p. 8.
34 Pinto Coelho, M. (2010) op. cit.
35 Data taken from Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2010), p. 1009, and European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (2013) op. cit., p. 106.
36 Data for 1999 taken from Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2004) ‘Relatório Anual 2003 – A Situação do País em Matéria de Drogas e Toxicodependências’, p. 141. Data for year 2012 taken from Instituto da Droga e da Toxicodependência (2013) op. cit., p. 105.
37 Hughes, C. E. and Stevens, A. (2010) op. cit., p. 1010.
38 Von Sydow, K. et al. (2002) ‘What predicts incident use of cannabis and progression to abuse and dependence? A 4-year prospective examination of risk factors in a community sample of adolescents and young adults’, Drug and Alcohol Dependence, vol. 68, no. 1, pp. 49-64.
39 Hannon, L. and Cuddy, M.M. (2006) ‘Neighborhood Ecology and Drug Dependence Mortality: An Analysis of New York City Census Tracts’, The American Journal of Drug and Alcohol, vo. 32, no. 3, pp. 453-463.
40 Najman, J.M et al., (2008) ‘Increasing socio-economic inequalities in drug-induced deaths in Australia: 1981-2002’, Drug and Alcohol Review, vol. 27, no. 6, pp. 1-6.
41 Stevens, A. (2012) op. cit.
42 Khalip, A. (2012) ‘Once a model, crisis imperils Portugal’s drug program’, Reuters, 13/08/12.
43 Pinto, M. S. (2012) ‘The Economic Crisis is a Danger for Harm Reduction in Portugal’, Drogriporter, 06/02/12.

You don't even understand how a scientific paper is put together. I want to see in the article where these things are cited lol. The whole article is written like a high school essay.

 

[Estebonrober]

You don't even understand how a scientific paper is put together. I want to see in the article where these things are cited lol. The whole article is written like a high school essay.

Yes the essay is for general consumption so yea its written on like a 6th grade level. You can use a lot of the references there and dig down into the methodology if you like, that is on you to challenge your own preconceptions. I'm not walking a racist, misogynistic, murder boy to enlightenment. So far you have not even bothered linking a high school essay you've just made declarative statements as "truth". Its forking stupid.

 

[BCheek]

Yes the essay is for general consumption so yea its written on like a 6th grade level. You can use a lot of the references there and dig down into the methodology if you like, that is on you to challenge your own preconceptions. I'm not walking a racist, misogynistic, murder boy to enlightenment. So far you have not even bothered linking a high school essay you've just made declarative statements as "truth". Its forking stupid.

In other words, the article cherry picked data and wrote a high school essay in an unscientific manner then presented it as if it were a research study, which it's not.

 

[Robert Can't]

You could just go and read the articles if you want the science behind it?

Even if they are cherry picked they are still scientific unlike your forum posts

 

[Estebonrober]

In other words, the article cherry picked data and wrote a high school essay in an unscientific manner then presented it as if it were a research study, which it's not.

It didn't present itself as a research article? WTH is wrong with you? It was an article based on other research. . .this is common.

 

[BCheek]

You could just go and read the articles if you want the science behind it?

Even if they are cherry picked they are still scientific unlike your forum posts

That might be how "muh science" works with you people, but that's not the scientific method.

It didn't present itself as a research article? WTH is wrong with you? It was an article based on other research. . .this is common.

Someone wrote a high school essay and pasted charts taken out of context into it and cited them incorrectly. Lol.

 

[Robert Can't]

That might be how "muh science" works with you people, but that's not the scientific method.

"muh science" is assuming that peer reviewed scientific work is more valid than your forum posts?
Yeah that is how science works, for my people, for all people.

Publishing and peer review is (for better or for worse) an important part of the scientific method in the modern world. I'm not sure what you think would be more scientific? But if you have better science to show us do feel free

 

[BCheek]

"muh science" is assuming that peer reviewed scientific work is more valid than your forum posts?
Yeah that is how science works, for my people, for all people.

This is exactly the problem. The article isn't peer reviewed. It's not even scientific. The author took charts and cherry picked data out of scientific articles and papers (some not even scientific at all) then presented it as if it were the results of a scientific study, which was never conducted. It's idiotic and embarrassing. They didn't even cite their charts correctly.

 

[Berzerker]

I suppose you also don't think they're more likely to commit violent crime too although only ~15% of the population they account for ~50% of the murders. People ignoring hard data and substituting that for wishy-washy excuses and platitudes they cannot prove is asinine.

We've spent the last half century waging a drug war in black communities, of course we will see more violent crime. What happened in the 20s when cities became battlegrounds for booze dealers? The national homicide rate doubled meaning it was even higher in big cities. As young black men are killed or imprisoned fewer fathers are taking care of their kids so Uncle Sam steps in to pay the bills making 2 parent households even more obsolete.

Probably not because I have no interest in being part of law enforcement and would not have owned slaves. If I lived in the south, would I have fought in the civil war on the side of the south? Yes.

You would have killed and/or died so people could own slaves? I'm not sure what the fugitive slave act required of regular citizens, but if you saw the 'crime' of helping slaves run away what would you have done? I'm exploring your desire for 'law and order' in the face of immoral laws.

I'm not preaching about the law. I'm stating an objective fact - that if you break the law and get caught you will have to face the consequences so don't cry about it later and larp as a victim because you're not one.

Did slaves deserve the death penalty or torture for running away?

What you're doing is making up your own legal *edit spelling* interpretation *edit spelling* then holding up the constitution and going, "You see, there it is!" When there's no precedent for that. It's the same thing lefties do during the gun

If it was there I wouldn't hold up the Constitution and we have more than a century of precedent. Why did Congress amend the Constitution to allow their war on booze? One could argue they had to or the courts might have shot it down.

If you think you're going to legalize all drugs and not have people who get high and drunk then do violent things when we have that now you're foolish.

But we do have that now... thats kinda the point. What are we getting for our war? Whats victory? A drug free America of course.

 

[Robert Can't]

This is exactly the problem. The article isn't peer reviewed. It's not even scientific. The author took charts and cherry picked data out of scientific articles and papers (some not even scientific at all) then presented it as if it were the results of a scientific study, which was never conducted. It's idiotic and embarrassing. They didn't even cite their charts correctly.

The article doesn't intend to be scientific, that's why you should read the refferences if you want something that's been nicely formatted in LaTeX.
If you want neat little summaries of years of research that are easily digestible for you then maybe you shouldn't be asking for scientific articles?

 

[BCheek]

The article doesn't intend to be scientific

They why post the article and hold it up as "muh science?"

that's why you should read the refferences

That's not how it works. It's written like a high school essay, not a scientific article. Each of those reference are likely completely unrelated to the topic of the article.

If you want neat little summaries of years of research that are easily digestible for you then maybe you shouldn't be asking for scientific articles?

Lol. Just wow. This made my brain hurt. The entire purpose of a scientific article is so you don't have to read through hundreds of pages of a jargon dense study. They summarize the study and cite all of the data in the article so if you want to know more detail about a claim they've made, you can look it up.

 

[Robert Can't]

They why post the article and hold it up as "muh science?"

So id didn't post it and when you asked for more scientific evidence I suggested you read the articles referenced:

You could just go and read the articles if you want the science behind it?

Even if they are cherry picked they are still scientific unlike your forum posts

That's not how it works. It's written like a high school essay, not a scientific article. Each of those reference are likely completely unrelated to the topic of the article.

I guess then you didn't even have a look at them because... That's not true!

Lol. Just wow. This made my brain hurt. The entire purpose of a scientific article is so you don't have to read through hundreds of pages of a jargon dense study. They summarize the study and cite all of the data in the article so if you want to know more detail about a claim they've made, you can look it up.

A peer reviewed article in a scientific journal has a specific purpose and that purpose is not to make little morsels of info for you to eat. In fact it is those very articles which have to contain all that jargon and study. I don't know what you think science is.


I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest that when you read articles you thought I meant science journalism like the article Estebonrober posted. If this is true then I guess we just had a misunderstanding and you should just go and rectify that misunderstanding by reading the articles referenced. If not then I guess you actually just don't understand what science is.

 

[Berzerker]

Strung out?? Who the hell smokes a cigarette then beats the holy hell out of their girlfriend?

You cited 'negative impacts', tobacco's death toll tops all the other drugs combined... Including booze. And while we're talking about booze, most of those drug induced domestic disputes involve booze. Prohibitionists defending booze and tobacco require waders.

I already agreed it went poorly, but I don't want to ban alcohol. How is this even relevant?

"Went poorly" counts as one of those negative impacts too.

 

[cardgame]

Say, remember when we banned alcohol because it caused crime and domestic violence? That sure didn't have any negative consequences, things really just got better.

But man that's really far off topic...

You can end cancel culture by not doing things that will get you canceled

 

[TheMeInTeam]

We do literally have a guy arguing that there are only four races on earth

Oh now that you mention it that's true. Where does that even come from? I've heard some out-there theory but the "4 races" thing is new to me.

 

[Zardnaar]

Cancel culture will eventually burn itself out.

 

[Lexicus]

Given the amount of racism on display here I guess it makes sense why you're all so worried about getting cancelled.

truth

 

[Cloud_Strife]

???

Where's the racism? It's actually true that the vast majority of violent crime against any particular group of people comes from members of own race. It's not like crime rate stats are a secret. The motivations aren't racist then obviously, and the causes aren't either (if they were, we should expect to see different outcomes).

We have a literal white supremacist in this thread and you still can't identify any racism.

Is it willful ignorance or intentional?

 

[Lexicus]

a

more than one