How is your EU3 Game going?

[Wasila]

Does that apply in general? So, is it usually infeasible to annex a nation via diplomacy in general?

Also I am having serious money issues and am being forced to raise the Treasury slider to avoid bankruptcy - good ways to raise money?

EDIT: I noticed that the way you spoke of reputation it sounds as if it's better if it's lower. Is that right?

 

[Tee Kay]

Reputation (or Infamy) refers to the reputation of your nation as bloodthristy warmongers. So yes it's better if it's lower.

Does that apply in general? So, is it usually infeasible to annex a nation via diplomacy in general?

You mean diplo-annexing a vassal? They're more likely to accept if they're small and share the same religion and culture group as you, and the longer they have been your vassal the more likely they'd accept annexation. Otherwise it's not very feasible, and it's often simpler to just DoW them.

Also I am having serious money issues and am being forced to raise the Treasury slider to avoid bankruptcy - good ways to raise money?

Not always. Minting slows your research and can increase inflation, which increases the cost of everything you do. You should get the National Bank idea or a Master of the Mint advisor; either will allow you to mint a little without increasing inflation. Otherwise, minting should only be done sparingly, while making sure you don't have too high inflation. 5% is acceptable in most cases, 10% is too high, 20% will cripple you.

Ideally, you should be able to pay for all your monthly expenses with the big annual income you get at the start of the year, and save the spare cash to invest in things like Workshops that improves your economy tremendously or merchants if you're a trading power.

Bankruptcy is very bad. Avoid at all cost.

 

[Chieftess]

One message you probably don't want to see in an EU3 game -

"Castille has inherited the throne of England!".

 

[Tee Kay]

One message you probably don't want to see in an EU3 game -

"Castille has inherited the throne of England!".

In my current game Castile looks like it's about to inherit Portugal. It's not as bad, and I guess more common than Castile inheriting England. But still.

 

[Wasila]

Heh, I was just making my way in the world as Burgundy when France declared war and promptly annihilated me . Perhaps I should have made more of an effort to keep that alliance with England...

Minting slows your research and can increase inflation, which increases the cost of everything you do.

Do earnings not inflate with the costs?

Ideally, you should be able to pay for all your monthly expenses with the big annual income you get at the start of the year

I've just noticed that, but isn't this system a little flawed? Any ways of knowing my annual income before it takes place?

How do I invest in merchants? Don't they just turn up?

Wasila

 

[Dachs]

You send merchants to centers of trade: lump sum to send the merchant there, but the merchant sends you back a portion of the profits, which are rolled into your year-end income. You can set the game to do this for you automatically.

One message you probably don't want to see in an EU3 game -

"Castille has inherited the throne of England!".

Whereupon Castile is faced with a series of rebellions throughout England due to lacking cores there, and eventually ends up losing it anyway. It's actually easier to deal with that than it is to deal with a Castile-England PU. But yes: the interim is not fun.

In my current game Castile looks like it's about to inherit Portugal. It's not as bad, and I guess more common than Castile inheriting England. But still.

Actually, it's infinitely worse, because Castile will core on Portugal upon inheritance, while it wouldn't on England.

 

[madviking]

Don't inheritances come along with free cores on the inherited provinces?

 

[Tee Kay]

I think it's changed in DW now. You only core in provinces of your culture group. I think.

 

[Tee Kay]

Heh, I was just making my way in the world as Burgundy when France declared war and promptly annihilated me . Perhaps I should have made more of an effort to keep that alliance with England...

Yes, beware of France. If you're near them, they will attack you. I imagine you're also holding French cores, too.

Do earnings not inflate with the costs?

No.

I've just noticed that, but isn't this system a little flawed? Any ways of knowing my annual income before it takes place?

Yes. Hover your mouse over the income icon in the top bar. Also, the budget screen shows a summary of your income to the left.

There are tooltips all over the place. If there's a slider or a button or an icon you can always find more information about it by hovering your mouse over it.

 

[Chieftess]

Whereupon Castile is faced with a series of rebellions throughout England due to lacking cores there, and eventually ends up losing it anyway. It's actually easier to deal with that than it is to deal with a Castile-England PU. But yes: the interim is not fun.

Especially when you think about devising a plan to attack England the previous "turn" (few days).

Anyway, one thing I noticed is that, if Cornwall gains independence, it tends to be annexed by the Ottomans or Mamluks.

 

[Dachs]

Don't inheritances come along with free cores on the inherited provinces?

I think it's changed in DW now. You only core in provinces of your culture group. I think.

You only core in provs of your culture group in the most recent HttT patch. In DW they kept that and added autocores for inheritances of territories in the HRE by a member state of the HRE.

 

[Wasila]

Yes, beware of France. If you're near them, they will attack you. I imagine you're also holding French cores, too.

I never actually checked - but I should think so. Given up on that and I'm currently working on uniting the British Isles, although I might restart as France. Is there any way to get some easy CBs on all the Irish states, though? The reputation hit from taking them on one by one seems serious.

Yes. Hover your mouse over the income icon in the top bar. Also, the budget screen shows a summary of your income to the left.

I get it. That's confusing. So what are the annual costs that appear in the tooltip? Is there a breakdown at all - I assume that the one in the budget window applies only to monthly costs.

You only core in provs of your culture group in the most recent HttT patch. In DW they kept that and added autocores for inheritances of territories in the HRE by a member state of the HRE.

But this doesn't apply in IN, right?

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Also, is it true that infantry is essentially a waste of time in the early game?

 

[Tee Kay]

Is there any way to get some easy CBs on all the Irish states, though? The reputation hit from taking them on one by one seems serious.

As England, you should get a "Conquer Ireland" mission early on in the game. You'll get CBs on all the Irish states, and they should fall easily.

So what are the annual costs that appear in the tooltip? Is there a breakdown at all - I assume that the one in the budget window applies only to monthly costs.

The one in the budget window are monthly costs. If you check the tooltip for the coins icon at the top though, you can see how much money you are gaining/losing per month, the money you will have at the end of the year, and the money you'll gain annually.

Also, check the ledger (graph icon at the bottom right hand corner of the screen IIRC). There are a few pages of economic stats there. That should tell you what you want to know. Usually though, I find that the tooltip and the budget screen gives me enough information.

But this doesn't apply in IN, right?

Nope. In IN you get cores on any country you inherit.

Also, is it true that infantry is essentially a waste of time in the early game?

Oh, they're not useless. They're much cheaper than cavalry, can assault a fort and can still be a useful component of your force. However, cavalry are generally much more powerful in the early game. You can rely on a pure cavalry force, which will beat any infantry force of similar size. In the mid to late game infantry becomes much more important.

 

[Chieftess]

Nope. In IN you get cores on any country you inherit.

IN is the version I have, so yes, that's cores in Spain and England! HTTT is only purchasable online, but I'd much rather have a CD/DVD... Oh well, I suppose I could burn it onto a CD/DVD.

EDIT: Speaking of which, I just found out about the EU3:DW expansion (yeah, I know, it's been announced for awhile now). I've seen some of the box graphics say CD-ROM, but I don't see where you buy the CD-ROM version (all of the links say download). The maps do look gorgeous, though! I love "Conquer the World as Ryukyu" achievement. I read a thread like that on the EU3 forums.

 

[Dachs]

I think people - "people" here meaning "tuore" - have pretty much decided that a Ryukyu WC is impossible in DW.

Oh, they're not useless. They're much cheaper than cavalry, can assault a fort and can still be a useful component of your force. However, cavalry are generally much more powerful in the early game. You can rely on a pure cavalry force, which will beat any infantry force of similar size. In the mid to late game infantry becomes much more important.

This is much more true in IN than it is in HttT, and more true in HttT than it is in DW.

 

[JohnnyW]

Just picked up this game recently. I've tried it a few times and am loving it, even though I haven't made it to 1450 yet. I keep learning new things I want to do differently and restarting (from scratch, not saves).

I've been playing Castille every game so far, and once I haev most of the basics down I'll try a more complicated nation.

This game is seriously what I've been looking for since my civ5 letdown; AND I GOT IT FOR $6.00 US (complete + HTTT)!!!! Waiting on patches/balancing and my own learning of game mechanics to pick up DW, which I will undoubtedly get eventually.

 

[Maniacal]

New patch for Divine Wind in beta:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ta-of-5.1-2nd-February-2011-Discussion-thread..

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# AI
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- The AI is far less likely to join losing wars or countries that can’t handle fighting the war.
- AI is no longer interested in buying non-cores inside the empire if not a member.
- AI will no longer diplo annex countries inside the empire unless he got cores on them. Will still annex if he can keep a large share of it.
- The AI will disband troops it cannot afford
- AI is now far more reluctant to ally with someone at war.
- Ai is a bit more reluctant in joining in with agressors against someone else that is their ally.

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# Gamebalance
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- Improved the effects of the #3 & #4 government buildings.
- Ttweaked up magistrate gain a little bit again.
- Improved vetting, ecumenism, viceroys , siege corps & land of opportunity ideas.
- Despotic monarchy is now a fair bit slower to change its sliders to balance it versus feudal monarchy.
- Non-nomads can no longer annex nomads. (and vice-versa)
- Mercenary pools now upgrade over time when not used. Ie, no more latin knights filling it up.
- The emperor now gets a core and some reduced infamy for taking a province off agressors.
- Red priority will now only make sure you keep 2 merchants in a cot.
- Fixed loophole that made it possible to destroy other countries manufactories.
- Building things in your national focus restore parts of the magistrates when the building is finished.
- Every time a colony gets a trade goods picked, they gain one magistrate.
- Nomad tribute now expires properly, both when the original country no longer is a nomad, and when they are not neighbours anymore.
- Positioning is now properly capped in naval battles.
- Morale damage in navalcombat is no longer x100.
- Going bankrupt now clears all tribute relations.
- China can no longer get conquistadors or explorers unless the eunuchs are in power.
- Starting fleet is now scaled by techgroup.
- Civ/horde CBs now also apply to tribal_democracys
- Hordes can no longer claim defender of the faith.
- Annexation is not always immediately accepted anymore.
- Going bankrupt now lowers the size of your fleet to below force limits.
- Vassalizing japan while daimyo’s are still around is now far more costly.
- Vassals or junior partners of a union can no longer claim the defender of the faith.
- You only get compete chance from your leaguemaster if you have similar or lower badboy.
- You can now put your own vassals in your sphere of influence should you so desire it.
- A country getting vassalized will now break all its unions it is in.
- Alliances for vassals will now expire properly. (ie, one with others than their overlords.)
- The japanese emperor can no longer be inherited by outsiders.

################################################## ##################
# Interface Improvements
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- Added shortcut tooltips from v2
- Added movement arrow upgrades from v2
- Fixed a tooltip error for lesser union partners in sphere mapmode.
- Improved detailed tooltip for cultural tradition change.
- Owned province reduction on compete, from targets is now displayed properly as 0-100 instead of 0-1.
- Remove-core effect is now shown even when you don’t have a core on that province.
- Loans will now properly offer the option to pay/extend at reload, even if game is saved while dialog is up.
- Advisor death message now lists the title of the advisor dieing.
- Changed highlighting on the infamy toolip.
- Improved display of troopsizes in the military ledger page.
- Culture decisions will no longer clutter the history log.
- Sorting now works on countries on the leader ledger page.
- Gaining revolt risk directly from events is now colored red, not green.
- Cav to Inf ratio is also shown as tooltip over cavalry value in a selected unit.

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# User Modding
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- The command secede_province now takes previous_owner as an argument
- Added support for set_province_flag & clr_province_flag in province history.
- Added a 'trade_range = yes/no' trigger.


################################################## ##################
# Setup & Scripts
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- Grain depot changed to is_core = THIS from is_core = yes
- Joan of Aragon now belongs to the de Trastamara dynasty.
- Trent now joins Kingdom of Italy in 1809.
- A few rulers are now properly Bonaparte's.
- Capital of Bourbon is now Moulins.
- Changed kampaku decision since the ai doesn't handle the old one anymore
- Changed "mining_act" decision to require tax assessor anywhere in the country
- Changed "Corruption in the church" to require treasury_office instead of tax_assessor
- Changed "reduce_inflation" mission to require treasury_office instead of tax_assessor
- Changed tax_assessor to treasury_office in prices.
- Fixed "improve_the_han"
- Fixed population error in 1021 - Settsu
- Changed ownership of Sakhalin and the Kurils from JAP to FUJ
- Province capital of 238 - Essex changed to Chelmsford
- Fixed and tweaked the Wokou event-chain for Korea
- Fixed and tweaked events and decisions for Manchu/Ming/Korea border raids
- Restore_holy_see mission gives a temp claim and rewards with papal relations.
- Rewrote the "Mughal Nation" decision for hordes
- Event 6007 "A formal request" only fires if the emperor is not at war
- Event 6007 "A formal request" now gives the emperor one of two messages depending on the outcome
- Restore Holy see mission now cancels if EITHER rome is owned by papacy or you are no longer a catholic.
- Changed the capital of province Hessen to Marburg
- Changed the capital of Hessen to Kassel after 1567
- Fixed event 6415 (tax assessor)
- 10033 gives shogun influence, not HRE
- Fixed bug in "restore_emperor" decision
- Changed capital of Schwaben from Augsburg to Memmingen
- Fixed bug with "Manchu Alphabet"
- Fixed bug with "MASTER_OF_INDIA" achievement
- Added french cores to Dauphine, Languedoc and Toulouse
- Added french core to Rouergue
- Fixed typo in AUG - Augsburg.txt
- Rewrote the Hindustan nation decision
- You will not get the mission to colonise austrialia if you dont have it.
- Some trading missions now check for trade range.
- Plsen no longer gets a weird population spike in its history file.
- Discover mission will no longer appear repeatedly for countries with quest but no port.
- Fixed "Provincial Taxation System" decision
- Tweaked event 746 (province defects) for hordes
- Twekaed "dissolution_of_the_monasteries" decision
- Removed shogun bonus when JAP is united
- Fixed text in Widespread opposition event.
- Fixed text in legitimacy questioned event.
- A new event to let countries that discovers Japan discover the province of Kyoto
- Rewrote the events for unlawful provinces. The Emperor now returns it to the previous owner unless he has a core or it being a neighbour province and the emperor has low badboy
- Flags set in history files for Pisa and Siena to avoid the unlawful territory event
- Fixed bug in Braveheart event
- Fixed a few minor database errors.
- Event 716 should only fire when aristocratic
- Removed Shipyard from Naval tech 24
- Removed royal palace from gov tech 35

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# Stability & Performance
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- Optimized render code
- Tweaked view distances for better performance
- Clicking the save game tab no longer takes forever if you've got a couple of saves
- Enforced only 1 achievement available of each type in the savegame.
- fixed crashbug when shift + right clicking on the before dragboxing / clicking on land
- fixed Game crashes when attacking the enemy fleet.
- fixed exit crash in history database
- fixed the crashbug when starting with a country that has had a province name changed in its history.
- fixed a crashbug with resigning and reloading savegames with heirs that have become monarchs.
- Becoming another country will not crash the game if you have trade rights.

################################################## ##################
# Bugfixes
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- Inland sea now works properly again.
- Revokable reforms status is now saved in savegames.
- Trade access from gold is no longer causing weird modifier displays.
- Fixed a few issues with governments being set wrongly for newly formed countries.
- Fixed a bug which could cause lesser union partners to steal the leader sometimes at reload.
- Natives at Hokkaido & St.Barthelemy are now properly attackable.
- Empty_province mission scope will now ignore wastelands.
- Fixed daimyo peace score bugs
- Fixed load bug in shogunate
- fixed Manufactory GFX vanish after reload
- fixed Icons linger on the map when centres of trade are destroyed.
- fixed When a unique building vanishes you need to reload to build another one
- fixed The Shogun does not appear to lead alliances when dealing with minors.
- fixed Naval Movement arrow goes wild.
- fixed Impossible to become a shogun.
- fixed Conquests does not give prestige
- fixed One sided infamy in the peace UI
- fixed Declaring war on Daimyos when at war with foreign nations.
- fixed Don't allow DOWs in JAP when your have troops on their land
- fixed Daimyo WS modifier not factored on peace screen
- fixed Stability hits when called to arms.
- fixed Invisible, invincible army acts as a fleet and blockades some ports.
- fixed Icons don't expire
- fixed Prestige gains rounding.
- fixed Yearly prestige decay is not working properly.
- fixed Invisible unit
- fixed Title: Nationalism not working properly now works on your cores
- fixed Japanese straits, naval control and military access.
- Added a missing "a" to building tooltip.
- Fixed a couple of typos in building tooltips.

 

[Luckymoose]

Patch is awesome and saves work from 5.0.

 

[cardgame]

In my new game as Naples, I declared war on Janina.

Achaea declares war on me, honoring an alliance. I look at its low-morale 2,000-man army and laugh. Another province to annex.

Next thing I know, Milan and Bohemia declare war on me, milan honoring an alliance with Achaea, Bohemia honoring its obligation as the HRE to assist its members, I guess. Ridiculous.

Oh yeah, also Aquiea is at war with me too. For Achaea's alliance, I guess. It's nuts.

Not shown in the screenshot; few weeks later, Venice hops in the fray and sinks my entire fleet

 

[JohnnyW]

In my new game as Naples, I declared war on Janina.

Achaea declares war on me, honoring an alliance. I look at its low-morale 2,000-man army and laugh. Another province to annex.

Next thing I know, Milan and Bohemia declare war on me, milan honoring an alliance with Achaea, Bohemia honoring its obligation as the HRE to assist its members, I guess. Ridiculous.

Oh yeah, also Aquiea is at war with me too. For Achaea's alliance, I guess. It's nuts.

Not shown in the screenshot; few weeks later, Venice hops in the fray and sinks my entire fleet

It appears as though there are sever risks for declaring war! Sounds realistic to me. I have heard that cascading alliances are a little broken right now though, so I won't debate that it could cause problematic gameplay.